Fucking hell this badge issue is fucking boring. As I said the other day this is such a nothing else is going on in the summer subject. I’ve said before it’s a badge that I’m glad they stopped when they did to fix it for the future. And nobody outside our supporters even care now or will care in the future.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 05:46:08 PMFucking hell this badge issue is fucking boring. As I said the other day this is such a nothing else is going on in the summer subject. I’ve said before it’s a badge that I’m glad they stopped when they did to fix it for the future. And nobody outside our supporters even care now or will care in the future. Mate, for a subject you say you've no interest in, you haven't half posted an awful lot, mainly saying you're not interested.
It is not cheaper to have to create another design, once one has already been completed.That whole process is likely to have to start again, along with the fees demanded from a design agency.Even if its just a change of the lions direction, they will still charge a pretty penny.
I didn't say it was, I said once you've already decided to start again then what we've done is cheaper than any other alternatives and, importantly doesn't result in delays for kits, etc.
Sir David Reginald Woodhall MA (Cantab) is correct, a Premier League rules says that clubs have to consult the fans if they’re considering changing anything to do with a club’s ‘heritage’ like the club name, badge or colours etc. Presumably this came in after a variety of wrong ‘uns tried to change Cardiff’s colours from blue to red, and Hull City’s name etc. What I can’t see is that if there’s any punishment for not consulting, or what form the consultation has to take. As Dave has alluded to, the consultation process is very easily manipulated in any case.
Well, so far the whole thing seems to have been binned off on the say so of Heck after 5 minutes in the job. He’d better come up with something decent next year…
Quote from: paul_e on July 22, 2023, 06:43:40 PMI didn't say it was, I said once you've already decided to start again then what we've done is cheaper than any other alternatives and, importantly doesn't result in delays for kits, etc.Have we decided to "start again"?Restarting the whole process is not cost effective. Not in a money sense, or in a brand sense.But you continue to moan about others "moaning" about a situation that is a huge problem branding wise.If you don't think it is a problem, thats great. But as a graphic designer, I understand the value of brand visuals for a company...However, as said before, we wont really know what is happening until they tell us what is happening, so thats me out again...
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 22, 2023, 05:29:05 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 04:22:17 PMQuote from: ChicagoLion on July 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 03:28:56 PMIt getting it “right” is massively subjective. It has to align with the objectives of the club and the fans. “Right” will always be a matter of opinion. And I am glad we didn’t commit to something we would have had to stick with for a long time. The new round badge wasn’t universally approved, lacked supporter alignment and the club changed leadership. Stopping it now was absolutely the right thing to do.I don’t think it is subjective, I think when it comes down to preference about things like kit and badges it’s pretty obvious for the majority.Majority means it’s subjective as it means there will be a minority that won’t like it for whatever reason. For example I don’t give a fuck star or no star. That’s not the same for everyone.Maybe look up up the words subjective, objective and majority in an English dictionary.Excuse me? Subjective means it considers opinions which means if there is a majority it is a percentage of opinions that have been considered vs something rooted in fact. It’s not me that me that needs to look it up. The badge, kits are all subjective. It’s not a fact that it’s good or not. It’s always going to be an opinion.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 04:22:17 PMQuote from: ChicagoLion on July 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 03:28:56 PMIt getting it “right” is massively subjective. It has to align with the objectives of the club and the fans. “Right” will always be a matter of opinion. And I am glad we didn’t commit to something we would have had to stick with for a long time. The new round badge wasn’t universally approved, lacked supporter alignment and the club changed leadership. Stopping it now was absolutely the right thing to do.I don’t think it is subjective, I think when it comes down to preference about things like kit and badges it’s pretty obvious for the majority.Majority means it’s subjective as it means there will be a minority that won’t like it for whatever reason. For example I don’t give a fuck star or no star. That’s not the same for everyone.Maybe look up up the words subjective, objective and majority in an English dictionary.
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 22, 2023, 03:33:00 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 03:28:56 PMIt getting it “right” is massively subjective. It has to align with the objectives of the club and the fans. “Right” will always be a matter of opinion. And I am glad we didn’t commit to something we would have had to stick with for a long time. The new round badge wasn’t universally approved, lacked supporter alignment and the club changed leadership. Stopping it now was absolutely the right thing to do.I don’t think it is subjective, I think when it comes down to preference about things like kit and badges it’s pretty obvious for the majority.Majority means it’s subjective as it means there will be a minority that won’t like it for whatever reason. For example I don’t give a fuck star or no star. That’s not the same for everyone.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 03:28:56 PMIt getting it “right” is massively subjective. It has to align with the objectives of the club and the fans. “Right” will always be a matter of opinion. And I am glad we didn’t commit to something we would have had to stick with for a long time. The new round badge wasn’t universally approved, lacked supporter alignment and the club changed leadership. Stopping it now was absolutely the right thing to do.I don’t think it is subjective, I think when it comes down to preference about things like kit and badges it’s pretty obvious for the majority.
It getting it “right” is massively subjective. It has to align with the objectives of the club and the fans. “Right” will always be a matter of opinion. And I am glad we didn’t commit to something we would have had to stick with for a long time. The new round badge wasn’t universally approved, lacked supporter alignment and the club changed leadership. Stopping it now was absolutely the right thing to do.
Quote from: Risso on July 22, 2023, 07:26:38 PMWell, so far the whole thing seems to have been binned off on the say so of Heck after 5 minutes in the job. He’d better come up with something decent next year…But the club then made this is bit stupid by pretending it was about honouring (yawn) 1982 (obviously, on that landmark 41st anniversary) and yada yadaing about it. That's bad enough but to hear fans buying into this retrospective rubbish pisses me off.