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Re: Semi-Automated Offside Technology from 24/25
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2024, 06:38:45 PM »
Howard Webb PGMOL Chief Refereeing Officer, on the impact of SAOT

"It will make us quicker in a lot of situations involving tight offsides. Our defenders are really skilful at stepping up at the right time to play people offside, but also attackers are skilled at timing their runs as well. So we do have a lot of really tight offside situations in the Premier League.

"The assistants are also very good at making judgments in real-time, but, of course, they still need to be checked by the VAR and often players are leaning and there's maybe distance between the defenders and the attackers.

"So, at the moment we're using software, dropping lines from players' body positions, which takes time to do in a diligent way. Semi-automated offsides will speed that process up. There are still going to be some situations when there's a lot of players in close proximity, where we'll have to go through the existing system, if you like.

"But in many, many cases it [SAOT] will speed up the offside process because we won't have to place those lines. It'll be done for us by the software. So we are looking forward to making use of that to speed the game up."

"Semi-automated suggests to us where the offside line is, but we still have to check the kick point - make sure the computer selected the right one, make sure it's selected the right players, because we have to recognise who is the ... the defender that we're interested in, make sure it's identified the right players. And it's just like a validation really, of what the computer is suggesting to us.

"There's no indication [from SAOT] to the on-field officials as yet as to whether or not a player's offside. That might be something that comes down the track, where they get some information in real-time, which will prevent the delaying of flags. But that's some way off.

"But we're keeping a really close eye on anything that makes us more accurate, more efficient, and that benefits the game in a way that we think the VAR has overall in the last four to five years."

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Re: Semi-Automated Offside Technology from 24/25
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2024, 06:40:37 PM »
We'd already have fourth with it, thanks to the Spurs bullshit against Liverpool earlier in the season.

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Re: Semi-Automated Offside Technology from 24/25
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2024, 10:53:15 AM »
I'm assuming that the "semi" automated bit is to leave a bit of wriggle room to favour Man Utd?

Isn't it always.

In reply to FV

The tech requires x amount of extra cameras placed around each ground so I'm guessing the surveys, ordering, fitting and testing is why it is several matches into the season before they become officially operational. (First so many matches might be used for the calibrations to confirm it is working).

But if they are not using the accelerometers, then that is either down to Nike not having the opportunity to fit them, or it isn't as reliable tech yet. So I suspect we still will rely on the ref trying to pinpoint when the ball is touched last and then the computer will do all the lines instantly from that.
Surely the ball is a key part of it?  What makes you think they're not using them?

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Re: Semi-Automated Offside Technology from 24/25
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2024, 11:37:54 AM »
Ah yes! SAFT: Semi-Automated Footy-Vill Twaddle

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Re: Semi-Automated Offside Technology from 24/25
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2024, 11:45:24 AM »
Surely the ball is a key part of it?  What makes you think they're not using them?

FV's posted they were not. Obviously it WAS FV posting but I did take it as correct info at the time. However the ball tech makes it even faster, the slow part of VAR is getting the lines drawn so if it does rely on someone choosing the frame, the rest should then be instantly done.

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Re: Semi-Automated Offside Technology from 24/25
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2024, 08:33:57 PM »
The purpose and the role of offside in the rules of football was never such as to require decisions to be based on the width of a toenail. I'd scrap VAR tomorrow, if it were possible.

How do you feel about SAOT?

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Re: Semi-Automated Offside Technology from 24/25
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2024, 08:35:37 PM »
It's not about us but the game as a whole and watching is now a much poorer experience.

It's just another level of human error, rank incompetence and bias.

Apology after apology to clubs, inconsitancies are as, if not more, common now as they were prior to It's introduction. Cursary checks for some infringements, forensic analysis for others, we see the offside lines when it suits them, never hear the conversations and as we saw at Old Trafford, if they want to rule out a goal they'll fucking find a way to do it.

If automated offside is a factual system, like goaline tech then great, otherwise it's subjective, just as refs decision is.

Perhaps we could have a VAR to check the VAR?

Hi Nev SAOT will be coming in next season and Howard Webb said this

Howard Webb PGMOL Chief Refereeing Officer, on the impact of SAOT

"It will make us quicker in a lot of situations involving tight offsides. Our defenders are really skilful at stepping up at the right time to play people offside, but also attackers are skilled at timing their runs as well. So we do have a lot of really tight offside situations in the Premier League.

"The assistants are also very good at making judgments in real-time, but, of course, they still need to be checked by the VAR and often players are leaning and there's maybe distance between the defenders and the attackers.

"So, at the moment we're using software, dropping lines from players' body positions, which takes time to do in a diligent way. Semi-automated offsides will speed that process up. There are still going to be some situations when there's a lot of players in close proximity, where we'll have to go through the existing system, if you like.

"But in many, many cases it [SAOT] will speed up the offside process because we won't have to place those lines. It'll be done for us by the software. So we are looking forward to making use of that to speed the game up."

"Semi-automated suggests to us where the offside line is, but we still have to check the kick point - make sure the computer selected the right one, make sure it's selected the right players, because we have to recognise who is the ... the defender that we're interested in, make sure it's identified the right players. And it's just like a validation really, of what the computer is suggesting to us.

"There's no indication [from SAOT] to the on-field officials as yet as to whether or not a player's offside. That might be something that comes down the track, where they get some information in real-time, which will prevent the delaying of flags. But that's some way off.

"But we're keeping a really close eye on anything that makes us more accurate, more efficient, and that benefits the game in a way that we think the VAR has overall in the last four to five years."

I hope that helps for clarity

 


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