Season Tickets - 2022/23

[Risso]

What false advertising is this?!

The cheapest way for Villa supporters to watch all three fixtures on the club’s pre-season tour of Australia is with a VillaTV match pack – available now!

Villa fans can pick up a match pack now for our three tour fixtures against Leeds United, Brisbane Roar and Manchester United for £17.99.

3 matches at £5.99 is £17.97! Never mind the season tickets for the proletariat scandal Flinstone, get on this 3p blatant ripping off of the fans! Purslow out!!!111

3p? If you're that far out percentage-wise on everything....... 

For the pack to be cheaper than buying three individual matches, it would need to be reduced by 3p.

[olaftab]

Surely there is booking fees as is the norm these days so that makes the pack a bargain😳

[DC1874]

Can't disagree with Mike's comments earlier in this thread!

"If our tickets were more extra expensive than the other clubs you’d have a point. The problem is the whole system and Purslow is only doing what every other CEO is doing so it is unfair to single him out. Football is still primarily attended by what you outdatedly call the working classes who accept and participate in this mad and immoral thing football has become, aggrieved to be paying over the odds but not seeing the obscenity of the money involved at every level from owners to media to agents to players. A few quid on a ticket is fuck all given the big picture.

As someone who grew up on a council estate, is a Labour Party member and socialist, my view is that the world has moved on since the three tier class system. Some in Labour’s failure to accept a shade of nuance is not helpful. We live in a high tech society that is nothing like my childhood. My council estate emptied of working class people and filled with Thatcher’s dispossessed and left behind. Traditional working class jobs have all but disappeared. The issue in football is the obscene exploitation of the game across the world, which itself is only a symptom of a developed world where people see no moral ambiguity in buying cheap stuff from China, a monstrously despotic and dangerous regime undermining British industry. These goods are sold via companies that avoid tax and treat their employees like shit. While Amazon don’t pay the taxes that should be funding our public services, Bezos has so much money he is able to fly into fucking space. The ‘working class’ is wholly complicit in all of this because there is no political leadership anywhere in the world to convince them they are acting against their own interests.  Peddling 1980’s policies in 2022 is failing to address the real issues and allowing the Bezos/Musk übercapitalists and Tory elitists to get away with it."

[mike]

Mock me all you want I know what I stand for and know what's happening . Purslow is out of touch with the workers and families of our fan base , he is typical of the elitists we have running the country and the world. There's a reason they had to get Corbyn out because he was too close to the truth

For the many not the few

If our tickets were more extra expensive than the other clubs you’d have a point. The problem is the whole system and Purslow is only doing what every other CEO is doing so it is unfair to single him out. Football is still primarily attended by what you outdatedly call the working classes who accept and participate in this mad and immoral thing football has become, aggrieved to be paying over the odds but not seeing the obscenity of the money involved at every level from owners to media to agents to players. A few whir on a ticket is fuck all given the big picture.

As someone who grew up on a council estate, is a Labour Party member and socialist, my view is that the world has moved on since the three tier class system. Some in Labour’s failure to accept a shade of nuance is not helpful. We live in a high tech society that is nothing like my childhood. My council estate emptied of working class people and filled with Thatcher’s dispossessed and left behind. Traditional working class jobs have all but disappeared. The issue in football is the obscene exploitation of the game across the world, which itself is only a symptom of a developed world where people see no moral ambiguity in buying cheap stuff from China, a monstrously despotic and dangerous regime sold via companies that avoid tax and treat their employees like shit. While Amazon don’t pay the taxes that should be funding our public services while Bezos has so much money he is able to fly into fucking space. The ‘working class’ is wholly complicit in all of this because there is no political leadership anywhere in the world to oppose it. Peddling 1980’s policies in 2022 is failing to address the real issues and allowing the Bezos/Musk übercapitalists and Tory elitists to get away with it.

Well said.

I agree with most of that

I'd just hope that we were a little in touch with our community and fans and didn't feel the need to charge £59 for a child to attend a Football match.


As for the VillaTV garbage , at least let Season Card Holders/members or infarct anyone watch for free

They're trying to get every last penny out of us and it's a disgrace!

We could but it would put us out of step with other clubs. I've never been more proud of Villa than when we had Acorns on our shirt, but that is generally viewed now as naive. My wish list would not be a few cheaper seats or deals, which is barely papering over a minor crack. It would be things like to ban sponsors, introduce a wage cap, statutory standard affordable ticket prices for all clubs, all matches free to view on TV, pay footballers sensible wages, curb agents, shirts to cost what they're worth, etc etc, but as that is as much a pipe dream of how I would like business to be regulated, public services to be run and the country to be governed, I reluctantly accept that Villa, much as I love them, have the same despicably immoral business model as the other 19 clubs in the league as if they don't they will be in League Two before you know it.

[Gareth]

You're not really standing for anything if your principled idea of showing solidarity with the affected is to renew anyway. You've become part of your own problem.

Exactly, it was like the Man Utd fans wearing their Norwich scarves whilst attending the game, in their replica shirt, drinking a club sold coke, eating a club sold burger….words are one thing but only real action that isnt just whinging is not to renew.

[Clampy]

I'm quite amused at Wilma saying that the club are trying to squeeze every last penny out of supporters whilst suggesting the club should have put together a package deal to take fans to a freindly in Australia.

[mike]

I'm quite amused at Wilma saying that the club are trying to squeeze every last penny out of supporters whilst suggesting the club should have put together a package deal to take fans to a freindly in Australia.

I'd also suggest that taking the moral high ground would preclude accepting any package the club put together given the massive carbon footprint of all those teams flying half way around the world to Australia for friendlies that could just as easily be played closer to the UK, if not actually in it.

[RamboandBruno]

Can't disagree with Mike's comments earlier in this thread!

"If our tickets were more extra expensive than the other clubs you’d have a point. The problem is the whole system and Purslow is only doing what every other CEO is doing so it is unfair to single him out. Football is still primarily attended by what you outdatedly call the working classes who accept and participate in this mad and immoral thing football has become, aggrieved to be paying over the odds but not seeing the obscenity of the money involved at every level from owners to media to agents to players. A few quid on a ticket is fuck all given the big picture.

As someone who grew up on a council estate, is a Labour Party member and socialist, my view is that the world has moved on since the three tier class system. Some in Labour’s failure to accept a shade of nuance is not helpful. We live in a high tech society that is nothing like my childhood. My council estate emptied of working class people and filled with Thatcher’s dispossessed and left behind. Traditional working class jobs have all but disappeared. The issue in football is the obscene exploitation of the game across the world, which itself is only a symptom of a developed world where people see no moral ambiguity in buying cheap stuff from China, a monstrously despotic and dangerous regime undermining British industry. These goods are sold via companies that avoid tax and treat their employees like shit. While Amazon don’t pay the taxes that should be funding our public services, Bezos has so much money he is able to fly into fucking space. The ‘working class’ is wholly complicit in all of this because there is no political leadership anywhere in the world to convince them they are acting against their own interests.  Peddling 1980’s policies in 2022 is failing to address the real issues and allowing the Bezos/Musk übercapitalists and Tory elitists to get away with it."

Really interesting analysis DC. I too grew up in a inner city council estate in Birmingham, mum and dad never owned a car let alone a house. Im also a Labour party member, i consider myself a socialist and Im a trade unionist. To this day i consider myself working class, though i acknowledge this is just as much a state of mind, or resonance with my past and all the life history and traits that make me who i am, rather than any socio economic reality of what my life is now, given i earn a higher than average salary and have enjoyed living in a middle class area for the last 16 years.
I agree that the traditional view of what it is to be working class is outdated and doesn’t  do the Labour Party any favours by forming some policies around such stereotypes, more importantly it doesn’t do people at the lower end of the economic spectrum any favours by a mis portrayal of life in relative poverty.
I do think this country is still built on a class system and that the term working class is still relevant, your just talking about a highly fragmented, nuanced and constantly changing groups of people, influenced by which part of the country individuals live in, race, gender, historical ties to former or existing industries, the individuals place within the gig economy, the list goes on. What is still true is if your born into a lower income family your more likely to remain in that socio economic grouping throughout life, Thatchers revolution was built on bullshit.
And how does this relate to the Villa. At £500/£600 a season ticket etc, the idea that the premier league is open to people on the average annual income or below is highly questionable. Which means the working class element (whatever we mean by that) of Villa Park attendees will probably be more made up of people who consider themselves psychologically working class if not financially. I started going down VP at 8, by 12 i was going down with mates or on my own, paying a couple of quid on the door. Those days are gone and there is no way those kids from those estates could go now.
I uphold this system, i know i’m a customer to the club and they are in a unique position amongst other businesses of being able to rely on my loyalty through thick and mostly thin, whilst still treating me as a customer rather than supporter. But what can be done, if i don’t go there will be a que of people waiting to replace me and ill miss something i love doing with my kids. For the waiting list to disappear, Villa have to be shit again, or the cost living really bites. But either way the club can still prosper with TV money.
Its not the way the capitalist system in this country works and definitely not with premier league football, but maybe one future option is for clubs to have to have a certain percentage of seats available to those on a certain income bracket? Not the answer to the structural problems in society i know.

[dave.woodhall]

I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?

[RamboandBruno]

I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?

I grew up in Hockley and used to go with a group of kids from Hockley/Ladywood and there were loads of other kids from those areas that went in the 80s It would be interesting to know how many kids from still deprived areas such as those are going. I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, so am not challenging what your saying.

[mike]

Can't disagree with Mike's comments earlier in this thread!

"If our tickets were more extra expensive than the other clubs you’d have a point. The problem is the whole system and Purslow is only doing what every other CEO is doing so it is unfair to single him out. Football is still primarily attended by what you outdatedly call the working classes who accept and participate in this mad and immoral thing football has become, aggrieved to be paying over the odds but not seeing the obscenity of the money involved at every level from owners to media to agents to players. A few quid on a ticket is fuck all given the big picture.

As someone who grew up on a council estate, is a Labour Party member and socialist, my view is that the world has moved on since the three tier class system. Some in Labour’s failure to accept a shade of nuance is not helpful. We live in a high tech society that is nothing like my childhood. My council estate emptied of working class people and filled with Thatcher’s dispossessed and left behind. Traditional working class jobs have all but disappeared. The issue in football is the obscene exploitation of the game across the world, which itself is only a symptom of a developed world where people see no moral ambiguity in buying cheap stuff from China, a monstrously despotic and dangerous regime undermining British industry. These goods are sold via companies that avoid tax and treat their employees like shit. While Amazon don’t pay the taxes that should be funding our public services, Bezos has so much money he is able to fly into fucking space. The ‘working class’ is wholly complicit in all of this because there is no political leadership anywhere in the world to convince them they are acting against their own interests.  Peddling 1980’s policies in 2022 is failing to address the real issues and allowing the Bezos/Musk übercapitalists and Tory elitists to get away with it."

Really interesting analysis DC. I too grew up in a inner city council estate in Birmingham, mum and dad never owned a car let alone a house. Im also a Labour party member, i consider myself a socialist and Im a trade unionist. To this day i consider myself working class, though i acknowledge this is just as much a state of mind, or resonance with my past and all the life history and traits that make me who i am, rather than any socio economic reality of what my life is now, given i earn a higher than average salary and have enjoyed living in a middle class area for the last 16 years.
I agree that the traditional view of what it is to be working class is outdated and doesn’t  do the Labour Party any favours by forming some policies around such stereotypes, more importantly it doesn’t do people at the lower end of the economic spectrum any favours by a mis portrayal of life in relative poverty.
I do think this country is still built on a class system and that the term working class is still relevant, your just talking about a highly fragmented, nuanced and constantly changing groups of people, influenced by which part of the country individuals live in, race, gender, historical ties to former or existing industries, the individuals place within the gig economy, the list goes on. What is still true is if your born into a lower income family your more likely to remain in that socio economic grouping throughout life, Thatchers revolution was built on bullshit.
And how does this relate to the Villa. At £500/£600 a season ticket etc, the idea that the premier league is open to people on the average annual income or below is highly questionable. Which means the working class element (whatever we mean by that) of Villa Park attendees will probably be more made up of people who consider themselves psychologically working class if not financially. I started going down VP at 8, by 12 i was going down with mates or on my own, paying a couple of quid on the door. Those days are gone and there is no way those kids from those estates could go now.
I uphold this system, i know i’m a customer to the club and they are in a unique position amongst other businesses of being able to rely on my loyalty through thick and mostly thin, whilst still treating me as a customer rather than supporter. But what can be done, if i don’t go there will be a que of people waiting to replace me and ill miss something i love doing with my kids. For the waiting list to disappear, Villa have to be shit again, or the cost living really bites. But either way the club can still prosper with TV money.
Its not the way the capitalist system in this country works and definitely not with premier league football, but maybe one future option is for clubs to have to have a certain percentage of seats available to those on a certain income bracket? Not the answer to the structural problems in society i know.

I agree with what you say about class. When I went to primary school, 90% of people's dads worked and Leyland and moms stayed at home or did something for pin money. That school and the estate is now full of people who are several generations unemployed. People who have a steady jobs like my dad did don't live in social housing now. I still undoubtedly 'self identify' as working class and I suspect that's how most people see me despite a relatively comfortable lifestyle and house in the shire. I don't think my children will ever see themselves as working class. I think there is a lot more fluidity around income and attitudes and the next generation will be a broad melange with the old money types still spotting people who say toilet and serviette and the underprivileged/left behind/hopeless at the top and bottom.

I also agree with Dave that my experiences when I get to Villa Park do not lead me to believe that the crowd is anything but broadly average/working or lower middle class types.

[mike]

I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?

I grew up in Hockley and used to go with a group of kids from Hockley/Ladywood and there were loads of other kids from those areas that went in the 80s It would be interesting to know how many kids from still deprived areas such as those are going. I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, so am not challenging what your saying.

The answer is also hard to interpret because (as above) I bet your estate is no longer full of people who have  the same relative income and attachment to society as in your day.

[dave.woodhall]

I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?

I grew up in Hockley and used to go with a group of kids from Hockley/Ladywood and there were loads of other kids from those areas that went in the 80s It would be interesting to know how many kids from still deprived areas such as those are going. I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, so am not challenging what your saying.

I wonder if it was more a community thing - you went down the match with your mates because that was where your mates were going.

[AlexAlexCropley]

Just to say I've been priced out,along with my lad. It is what it is,as they say

[mike]

I don't come across many people who say they've been priced out now. Maybe it's an age thing but down the match I see lots of children with parents, lots of the sort of shires inhabitants we're all supposed to be and the same people I've always seen. The yoof are supposedly being priced out but at what age is that happening?

I grew up in Hockley and used to go with a group of kids from Hockley/Ladywood and there were loads of other kids from those areas that went in the 80s It would be interesting to know how many kids from still deprived areas such as those are going. I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, so am not challenging what your saying.

I wonder if it was more a community thing - you went down the match with your mates because that was where your mates were going.

It was also easy and cheap, because grounds didn't sell out (not in my youth) and matches were all 3 o'clock on a Saturday. My dad would often say at about midday, 'do you want to go to a match', look to see who was at home and we'd go and watch a match. He loved football but didn't believe in supporting a football team...