Summer 2022 Transfer Thread

[chrisw1]

With the Carney money incoming (say £15m) we've now spent £17m net from last summer on.  I know wages have escalated massively, but surely we've should have the funds to go big on someone if Gerrard wants to?

[Ger Regan]

Depends on whether we need to free up squad space though. Tim and Chambers at a push is probably enough in that role.

Tim doesn't take a place in the 25, though, does he? Being a youf, an all.

Yep, but Nakamba would, and if we have another midfielder in the pipeline, his place in the squad might be needed.

[brontebilly]

Looks like Keinan is training again. Now a decision has been made on Archer, do we keep him or send him out / sell him?

It's sell time Im afraid with Keinan. As we last season with Forest, he has the potential to be a fine player when fully fit. He has a presence and technical ability as a front man that our first choice Watkins can only dream of.  Physically dominates defenders, first touch is brilliant, excellent distribution too. Lacks that critical instinct in the penalty box though so will never be that prolific, Archer has that in comparison.

But the injuries are ever present for Davis, missing games towards the end of last season you could see he wasnt the same player in the playoff final when he got back in. Injured again during pre season. I really feel for him to be honest as he's the kind of player that needs a run of consistent games and fitness to show his best. We wont be able to offer that and should be doing the right thing by him here, not holding out for stupid money.

[eamonn]

Is it always different types of injuries he suffers from?

[DBTW]

Nine times out of ten its a hamstring.

[Gareth]

I do rate Keinan & really enjoyed his loan as so many of the games were on tv but he needs to play every week to maintain fitness so it would be better for him to move on….if not Forest then a top Championship team like Watford or Norwich

[Toronto Villa]

With the Carney money incoming (say £15m) we've now spent £17m net from last summer on.  I know wages have escalated massively, but surely we've should have the funds to go big on someone if Gerrard wants to?

Money isn’t the issue. It’s simply that we have too many players on the books. I firmly believe we will bring at least one top player in before August ends, and that a few will leave, mostly on loan. Most clubs outside of the PL can’t afford PL players even the average ones.

[Matt C]

Someone more in tune with the rules on here than I will know better but I think it’s the case that if we were registering the squad today we wouldn’t even be able to get all the senior players in there. We’re going to have to move a few more on before we can finalize the Neymar deal.

[chrisw1]

With the Carney money incoming (say £15m) we've now spent £17m net from last summer on.  I know wages have escalated massively, but surely we've should have the funds to go big on someone if Gerrard wants to?

Money isn’t the issue. It’s simply that we have too many players on the books. I firmly believe we will bring at least one top player in before August ends, and that a few will leave, mostly on loan. Most clubs outside of the PL can’t afford PL players even the average ones.

I don't subscribe to this.

If money isn't an issue then you don't push back your progress just because there's players we don't want on the books.  You just leave them out the squad and invite them to find loans if they can.  I undertsand it's not ideal, but if money isn't the issue then Traore's wages shouldn't stop us buying Teilemans if that's what the manager wants / needs to really challenge.

[Dante Lavelli]

I see your point but I think just buying without clearing the decks leads to a dysfunctional squad a la Man United.

[Smithy]

With the Carney money incoming (say £15m) we've now spent £17m net from last summer on.  I know wages have escalated massively, but surely we've should have the funds to go big on someone if Gerrard wants to?

Money isn’t the issue. It’s simply that we have too many players on the books. I firmly believe we will bring at least one top player in before August ends, and that a few will leave, mostly on loan. Most clubs outside of the PL can’t afford PL players even the average ones.

I don't subscribe to this.

If money isn't an issue then you don't push back your progress just because there's players we don't want on the books.  You just leave them out the squad and invite them to find loans if they can.  I undertsand it's not ideal, but if money isn't the issue then Traore's wages shouldn't stop us buying Teilemans if that's what the manager wants / needs to really challenge.

I think there is a world of difference between "money isn't an issue so if we need the money for a transfer I'm sure it will be made available" and "money isn't an issue so we should be free to spunk it away paying millions to senior players to sit in the reserves"

Just because we have rich owners, doesn't mean we are suddenly going to start running the club like a terrible business.  They didn't get rich that way, and they're not going to start behaving that way with their football club.

I'm sure we still have active targets for this window, but I doubt we'll see more arrivals without one or two leaving first.

[chrisw1]

I see your point but I think just buying without clearing the decks leads to a dysfunctional squad a la Man United.

But they were buying without a plan.  I'm not suggesting that at all, just that if we have tragets identified who we think will make a difference, then if it's not about money we should move on at our pace, not hold things up because we can't shift a bit of deadwood.

I'm not really complaining about the business we've done and maybe we are happy, but I would hope with our net spend over the last two seasons being negligable, we could move if we want to. 

[Dante Lavelli]

I definitely think money is available.  I suspect they’re holding a bit back because the players that would be a ‘guaranteed’ improvement - like Tielmans - are unlikely to join this season.  We should bridge the gap this year so we’ll have cash ready for two or three worldliest next summer.

[DrGonzo]

I only want to see players coming in that are a significant upgrade on those they replace.  Buying for buying sake is a short termist philosophy that has landed us in the mire before.  Raul De Tamudo, is he a massive upgrade?  Channging leagues, time to settle in and find his feet etc etc.  Unless it's a sure fire scorcher I think we're going to create ourselves headache and upset good players already in the squad.  If it means waiting until January to sign the player you really want, just wait.

[Risso]

I only want to see players coming in that are a significant upgrade on those they replace.  Buying for buying sake is a short termist philosophy that has landed us in the mire before.  Raul De Tamudo, is he a massive upgrade?  Channging leagues, time to settle in and find his feet etc etc.  Unless it's a sure fire scorcher I think we're going to create ourselves headache and upset good players already in the squad.  If it means waiting until January to sign the player you really want, just wait.

I agree with you on the whole. The early start to the season is good because it gives Gerrard a few weeks to see what sort of form Watkins and Ings will be in.