Without the ball isn't he worse than Conor Hourihane?
Quote from: paul_e on March 25, 2022, 07:50:15 PMQuote from: LeeB on March 25, 2022, 06:45:52 PMQuote from: john e on March 25, 2022, 04:18:43 PMJust as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mindI mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realisticallyI was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up treesI've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.You’ve pretty much described Keinan Davis with that comment, Paul.At Forest he’s not scoring loads, but bringing goals to others.I’m not saying he’s the answer, but we know he can perform well vrs Premier league defenders, he just needs to knock in 10-12 goals a season
Quote from: LeeB on March 25, 2022, 06:45:52 PMQuote from: john e on March 25, 2022, 04:18:43 PMJust as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mindI mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realisticallyI was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up treesI've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.
Quote from: john e on March 25, 2022, 04:18:43 PMJust as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mindI mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realisticallyI was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mindI mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically
Well, it makes a change from Eric Djemba Djemba.
Quote from: trinityoap on March 26, 2022, 12:39:17 PMWell, it makes a change from Eric Djemba Djemba.I believe he's available on a free if we move swiftly.
Pogba played well for proper teams like Juventus and France. No wonder he doesn't look great playing alongside dross like Sancho and the ghost of Cristiano Ronaldo. Stick him in front of Phillips and alongside Coutinho and Buendia and he will be good. Be difficult to afford him but I would be willing to have everyone's season ticket but mine increase if that helps in any way.
Quote from: cdbearsfan on March 26, 2022, 12:49:44 PMQuote from: trinityoap on March 26, 2022, 12:39:17 PMWell, it makes a change from Eric Djemba Djemba.I believe he's available on a free if we move swiftly.He can’t move swiftly, so why should we do so?
Let me get this right - we're wondering whether we should sign Pogba to play alongside Coutinho. Something's not right here.