Summer 2022 Transfer Thread

[Dave]

And even then, 4, 5 and 6 on that list are loan deals where they were obligated to sign the player at the end.

Vinaigre is already on his way back, going to Everton. Porro was also supposedly going somewhere else for a profit to Sporting.

[LeeB]

Didn't we have a discussion about this only a couple over pages back?

I am sure we did and I am also sure he didn’t respond to any of the points out to him then either.

Sounds true to form.

[cdbearsfan]

It's a disgrace.

[ChicagoLion]

It's a disgrace.

Dont you start

[Clark W Griswold]

We had to buy a new squad when we were promoted. We bought in the best we could get at the time in order to re-establish ourselves as a PL club. The law of averages would say that not all of the signings are going to work, and then you need to factor in the fact that even when you've achieved the goal of establishing as a PL club the idea is to build on that so you're going to outgrow even more players. If those players are not in the team and it's obvious we want to move them on to make room for better players you're not going to get very big fees for them. We got a big fee for Grealish because he was our best player.
You would think it would be common sense really but i'll take the time to spell it out.

Add to that the fact that i think that we actually made a slight profit on Targett anyway and ok, sold Trez for about 1/3 what we paid, after his goals kept us up and got us to a league cup final. We actually lost about £7m ish...?

[RamboandBruno]

We had to buy a new squad when we were promoted. We bought in the best we could get at the time in order to re-establish ourselves as a PL club. The law of averages would say that not all of the signings are going to work, and then you need to factor in the fact that even when you've achieved the goal of establishing as a PL club the idea is to build on that so you're going to outgrow even more players. If those players are not in the team and it's obvious we want to move them on to make room for better players you're not going to get very big fees for them. We got a big fee for Grealish because he was our best player.
You would think it would be common sense really but i'll take the time to spell it out.

Add to that the fact that i think that we actually made a slight profit on Targett anyway and ok, sold Trez for about 1/3 what we paid, after his goals kept us up and got us to a league cup final. We actually lost about £7m ish...?

This is all accurate, but its really a waste responding to anything Fred posts, he’s not interested, just wants to moan, raise non issues and obviously gets off on us all then debating and responding. Classic narcissism really and utterly utterly tiresome.

[frank black]

Why do we struggle to sell players for decent money ? Grealish aside it's terrible business. We've basically give Targett and Trezeguet away and struggling to move any fringe player on , it seems we have to end up loaning out players + paying a big chunk of wages?

Terrible business. You'd think some Championship clubs would be after some of our players,at least??

Agreed, just Terrible

[OCD]

Probably have to take into account that transfer fees are amortized over the length of a player's contract so even though we sold Targett for around the price we paid for him, that probably looks a lot better in the accounts. You're selling a player with 2 years length on his contract, or whatever, for the price we paid when he had 5 years on his contract.

Also, the market was strong when we bought him. Then Covid hit and you've had a loss of income from games being played behind closed doors, some European Leagues finishing their seasons early and some broadcasters cancelling their deals with leagues.

[pauliewalnuts]

"Apart from when we sold a youth product for £100m last year, making him the most expensive English player ever, when do we ever sell players for good money?"

Joking apart, the period when that was really valid was the Lerner years, where rather than sell players MON bought and then decided he didn't fancy after all because they turned up to their first training session in the wrong type of car, or because he didn't like their hair or some random rubbish like that, we'd just let them see out their contracts. The Habib Beye sort of routine.

[paul_e]

My biggest problem with the whole post is the 'grealish aside' bit. You can't remove a £100m sale (that was reflected 100% in FFP) and then moan about our sales because our financial position is completely different to what it would have been if he hadn't gone, you can't just remove that from the discussion. If he'd stayed who we signed and who we sold changes and it may well have been that 1-2 other regulars go out instead.

[chrisw1]

I don't see what so controversial about Freds comment.  It's true, we do generally sruggle to get good value when we sell players.  Maybe it's because most of them aren't that good, but we paid good money for a lot of these players and more often than not we're having to give them away for next to nothing and pay up most their contracts too.  It may be the same for a lot of clubs, but it's still an issue we're guilty of.  Selling a generational talent for an incredible fee is a one off and does not expunge that.

I'm not saying these were all bad signings, some like Conor gave excellent value for money, but evern so...

Target -    £13.95    > £15.75 (this was decent business)
Tres -       £9.00  - > £3.6
Kalinic      £5.4m > free
Hourihane £3.15  > free
Samatta   £9.45m   > £5.4
Engels -    £7.2m  > £3.15
Heaton -   £7.92m  > free
Wesley -   £22m > will be a free
Hogan -    £9.45m  > £2.49m
McComrmack £12.87m  > free
Lansbury - £3.06  > free
Chester -   £8.37m  > free
Jota -        £4.05m  > free
Kodjia       £11.52m  > £2.7m
De-Laet     £2.07m  > free
Elphick      £3.51m  > free
Adomah    £3.15  > free
Whelan     £1.53m  > free
Tshibola    £5.31m  > free
Gollini      £4.5m   >  £3.96m
Bree        £3.15m  > free
Nyland     £2.7m > free

in addition
ElGhazi £8.1m > will prob be free
Guilbert £4.5m  > will prob be free

[olaftab]

We are not a “sell on for profit” club. We are “get rid if not good enough or purpose served” club. That costs money. If anyone made a list of similar waste for Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Spurs it would look truly horrendous. But that’s the way to go if you want success in football in this era.

[RamboandBruno]

We are not a “sell on for profit” club. We are “get rid if not good enough or purpose served” club. That costs money. If anyone made a list of similar waste for Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Spurs it would look truly horrendous. But that’s the way to go if you want success in football in this era.

This is a good point. Whilst there are some glaring Bruce duds on their like Hogan and Lansbury and pre Bruce with McCormack, most of those players we’re bought to do a job, e.g. get us promoted and in dome cases keep us up (Targett, Trez, Samatta). Although promotion took longer than planned, i would say a good percentage of those players played some part to differing degrees. The financial benefits of promotion and cementing our place in the division as we approach our 4th season back, must outweigh much of the financial ‘losses’ on players like Adomah, Whelan, Hourihane and Kodja etc?

[Toronto Villa]

I feel West Ham have pulled off another good deal with Scamacca.  Sounds like he'd be well suited to the PL.

To repeat from the Other Transfers thread:

Strikers coming off one great season in Serie A tend not to do very well, and strikers going to West Ham for loads of money tend not to do very well.

Calling it now - a goal on his debut, a hat-trick in the first League Cup game they play, followed by one in his next ten, the second half of the season on the bench and then a season long loan to Genoa next summer.

Under David Gold and David Sullivan's ownership, West Ham have signed 50 strikers. 20 of them have failed to score a single goal

[ChicagoLion]

If there had not have been such poor miss management we would not have got relegated, then we had the clear out and had to buy and loan to recover. We continued to make crap purchases aHogan McCormack Samatta Wesley the worst.Many of the players listed above we have maxed out their contracts and or suffered with the financial impact of COVID.
If you look at the squad now it looks stronger and in normal circumstances of greater value but the secondary market has pretty much collapsed.