Aston Villa vs Brentford Post-Match Thread

[Monty]

I thought the ref was a dunce. I don't blame Brentford for doing what they do, but it was like there was a double standard out there at times. Maybe subconsciously the ref knows that Brentford have a physical 'style' so he let them get away with more than us, but it was bizarre.

[itmustbe_it is!]

Considering the team, we had, an ok performance, but Dean left it far too late to bring Ollie on, should have been on the hour, he looked very good the short time he was on the pitch. Was impressed with Brentford, will give a load of teams a tough game. Here's hoping we see a much different line up at Chelsea.

I didn’t think Ollie looked very fit at all , I don’t think he’d have got very long out of him hence bringing him on “too late”

[ozzjim]

Because good managers create a style of play and that endures through injuries etc. Monty is spot on, we look totally devoid of tactical nous or style of play without Jack. I get that players are out but....

We went in with the wrong 11. Nakamba should have started alongside Doug. Young playing centre mid for the first time at 36 was a strange and desperate decision to keep drive in the midfield. It didn't work.

Brentford went very direct vs Arsenal, there was no reason to not play Hause and win the aerial battle. Picking Axel I found a bit harsh on the way Hause played and kept several clean sheets last season.

We didn't keep the ball and pass to each other at all, it was so frustrating to watch.

I don't want Smith out at all, but we need to move forward in the way we play. We created practically nothing beyond the goal and Ings chance. Before today we had 4 attempts on target and 4 goals. It's nowhere near good enough going forward, and that's not just about players out, it's tactically how you approach the game. I hope the new coach coming in freshens things up.

[john e]

Considering the team, we had, an ok performance, but Dean left it far too late to bring Ollie on, should have been on the hour, he looked very good the short time he was on the pitch. Was impressed with Brentford, will give a load of teams a tough game. Here's hoping we see a much different line up at Chelsea.

I didn’t think Ollie looked very fit at all , I don’t think he’d have got very long out of him hence bringing him on “too late”

He looked pretty lively to me

[ozzjim]

I thought the ref was a dunce. I don't blame Brentford for doing what they do, but it was like there was a double standard out there at times. Maybe subconsciously the ref knows that Brentford have a physical 'style' so he let them get away with more than us, but it was bizarre.

Toney and Wissa should have been sent off. Both took physical beyond with several bookable moments.

[charleeco7]

The first half was a good end to end game with both sides doing ok. Second half was spoilt by the poor ref who was blowing up for everything.
Buendia was good for 70 mins and would have come off if it wasn’t for konsas injury. All things considered it’s not a bad point but we have a tough run of games coming up.
Good to see ollie back though.

[wittonwarrior]

Poor team selection  In hindsight   Carney is not ready and targget had another shocker.  On the performance alone happy with a point   Did very little to try and win it

[sickbeggar]

Because good managers create a style of play and that endures through injuries etc. Monty is spot on, we look totally devoid of tactical nous or style of play without Jack. I get that players are out but....

We went in with the wrong 11. Nakamba should have started alongside Doug. Young playing centre mid for the first time at 36 was a strange and desperate decision to keep drive in the midfield. It didn't work.

Brentford went very direct vs Arsenal, there was no reason to not play Hause and win the aerial battle. Picking Axel I found a bit harsh on the way Hause played and kept several clean sheets last season.

We didn't keep the ball and pass to each other at all, it was so frustrating to watch.

I don't want Smith out at all, but we need to move forward in the way we play. We created practically nothing beyond the goal and Ings chance. Before today we had 4 attempts on target and 4 goals. It's nowhere near good enough going forward, and that's not just about players out, it's tactically how you approach the game. I hope the new coach coming in freshens things up.

yep. Spot on. wrong team selected. couldn't keep possession, out-passed by Brentford. Injuries or not, you need to do a bit better than that.

[Allan C]

There was a moment towards the end where the Scouse co-commentator tried to sum things up. He said 'both teams have set their stall out for the season: Brentford, they keep the ball, they press aggressively; Aston Villa...well...they're trying to move into this post-Jack Grealish era now...erm..."

And that about sums it up for me. I know we had injuries, a draw isn't a bad result considering those. But what is our style of play? Can anyone actually tell me what our plan is? How do we attack, how do we press, how do we beat the opposition press, how do we move in the final third. We must be the team whose players spend the longest average time on the ball, because a player will just get it, everyone will run away from them, and they'll end up tapping it sideways or playing one of those shit slice-chips into the channels or up to well-known target man Danny Ings.

I don't think we want to be some sort of long-ball team. But we don't have any actual positional patterns, or movements, or strategies. We're aimless. And the period of play with the 2 up top - I know it was a disjointed end to the game, I know everyone goes long at the end anyone, but it's probably the least coherent passage of play I've seen from any team this season. Please, coaches, sort it out.

Sorry just don’t agree. How can possibly judge the style of play, formation etc when up to 6 players who would be expected to start or possibly start were out injured or ill. The squad depth that has been built, allowed  us to at least compete today. Apart from Man City and Chelsea, I can’t think of another team who wouldn’t struggle without 6 first teamers and that includes Man U and Liverpool.
On top of that we have 3 new players in the team today if you include Tuanzebe and a kid making his first start.

Four points from 9 not an ideal, but Jesus some perspective is needed. Let’s see what’s happening after 10 games with our main players back.

Absolutely spot on. Every team will struggle with our current level of injuries/sickness  I think in the same position last season we would have lost that today

[DB]

Just got back. Poor today but with the team we played because of injuries, it was no surprise. I will try to reserve judge.ent until.we have the players back. Good time for the international to get them fit.

Oh and the ref got worse the more the match went on...

[wince]

There is something very off at Villa and excuses aside we aren’t looking great either. This is what happens to one player teams and Dean needs to see what we all see and sort the pattern of play and the midfield.

[Demitri_C]

Surpised chucks getting negative feeback. For a 17 year old i think he sid well 1st half

[mrfuse]

Poor team selection  In hindsight   Carney is not ready and targget had another shocker.  On the performance alone happy with a point   Did very little to try and win it

Very Harsh, thought target did well enough. It was cash that didn't play so well.

Chukwuemeka was fine didnt do as much I'd have hoped but certainly didn't look out of place.

[richtheholtender]

Surpised chucks getting negative feeback. For a 17 year old i think he sid well 1st half

I think the suggestion is that we didn't need to play him. He did do well for a 17 year old but did he really do well taking his age out if the equation? He needs to be developed before being put in like that especially having played the other night.

[sickbeggar]

The gobsmacking thing is Smith presumably had days knowing McGinn was out and that's what he came up with? An injury in the warm up and I could understand it.