Kaine Kesler Hayden

[Dave]

Afaik, both clubs have to agree if you want to end a loan early. However I assume that can be overridden if the parent club wishes to sell said player, which makes me believe we've buyers for both.

To recall them early and then sell them to another club in the same division is bad form really. Reeks of PL bully boy tactics. Another rotten consequence of FFP that definitely isn't in the interests of the game and/or player development.

For the player the chance of a permanent move has got to be better than the uncertainty of a loan surely.

Indeed. I don't see why moving to a bigger club than the one he was playing for, being paid more money, on a five year contract is worse for Azaz's development than him being loaned out to clubs by us.

[pablo_picasso]

Tis better to have loaned and lost than never to have loaned at all.

😂 very good...

[pablo_picasso]

That was funny when we were in the Championship and had Tammy on loan from Chelsea, and Wolves in the Premier League tried to buy him and he turned them down to stay with us.
Brilliant!

Wouldn't have been too funny for us if Chelsea had recalled him and sold him to Wolves. It's not often players have much of a say though that was Abramovich Chelsea where budgets etc weren't real. Wolves were in a higher division so could be justified a lot easier. Maybe other lower league clubs wont take kindly to the stunt we pulled with Azaz and we will struggle to loan out players to clubs that will treat them well. Penny rich (£2m), pound poor vibes off it and it's being driven by the FFP incentives to sell academy players for profit.

Im 100% sure that the contract with the recall option would have been agreed by all parties when the loan was set up, so it's not like they didn't have an inkling that a recall could possibly happen.

And lets be honest, if either had been shit or got injured, they would have sent them back in a heartbeat...

[Somniloquism]

People do realise the Tammy Wolves move was only a loan move, and there was no guarantee it would have been legal due to the three clubs thing in one season. (No one was sure whether the Charity Shield counted).

[dcdavecollett]

I thought Wolves offered £20m for Tammy?

Apparently, he didn't want to go there.

Great choice!

[chrisw1]

It was a loan offer.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/08/tammy-abraham-snubs-wolves-loan-move-stay-aston-villa-transfer-window-football

I recall a Grealish interview where he said he was doing his best to persuade Tammy to stay, promising him he was nearly back from his injury and they'd get promoted.

[dcdavecollett]

Okay. Perhaps Chelsea wanted an obligation to buy after the loan, or wanted more loan money from Wolves than we could pay.

The Grealish story is quite a funny one. "I'll be back soon, Tammy! Well, in about six weeks..."

All turned out fine in the end.

[PaulWinch again]

If what the Plymouth manager is saying is true he’s competing for a first team spot with us.

[Olneythelonely]

If what the Plymouth manager is saying is true he’s competing for a first team spot with us.

Bit weird that he was talking about assurances. Why would we need to assure Plymouth of anything?

[VILLA MOLE]

If what the Plymouth manager is saying is true he’s competing for a first team spot with us.

Bit weird that he was talking about assurances. Why would we need to assure Plymouth of anything?

yes , whos player is it?  but I guess maybe to reassure the player on his return that he will compete

[Ads]

Makes sense. If he does well, we can sell him to a PL/Championship side to aid the FFP.

[chrisw1]

I've always liked the look of KHH and was hopeful he would turn out to be the best of all of that generation.  It hasn't looked like it was going to happen for him, but I'd love to see him take his opportunity if he's going to be with the first team for the rest of the season.

[eamonn]

Makes sense. If he does well, we can sell him to a PL/Championship side to aid the FFP.

That's depressing. If he does well maybe he can be our RB for the next few years!

[LeeB]

I've always liked the look of KHH and was hopeful he would turn out to be the best of all of that generation.  It hasn't looked like it was going to happen for him, but I'd love to see him take his opportunity if he's going to be with the first team for the rest of the season.

Same here

[Drummond]

I think he's one that will do well playing in the right system with the right manager. Clearly had a good spell at Plymouth, let's hope he's ready and gives us a boost over the remainder of the season.