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Offline Risso

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #150 on: October 04, 2021, 09:54:01 AM »
Well no wonder we lost if man u were there too 🙂

Ha ha, thanks, edited.

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #151 on: October 04, 2021, 11:21:18 AM »
Well no wonder we lost if man u were there too 🙂

Ha ha, thanks, edited.

We know that you just say the same thing over and over.... I just hadn't realised it was Cut and Paste.  ;)

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #152 on: October 04, 2021, 11:22:08 AM »
Well no wonder we lost if man u were there too 🙂

Ha ha, thanks, edited.

We know that you just say the same thing over and over.... I just hadn't realised it was Cut and Paste.  ;)

Ha ha, thanks, edited.

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #153 on: October 04, 2021, 01:25:36 PM »
But your point stands the occasional long throw is ok, but sometimes there is a simpler throw in that keeps possession.
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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #154 on: October 23, 2021, 06:54:34 PM »
Formations and tactics aside, I have another bone to pick with Dean. Actually it's partly exacerbated by Sky, BT, etc. It's down to the fact this is modern football and they have set piece coaches. It's also down to the fact we even know, and hear regularly about Austin MacPhee. He's mentioned on commentary repeatedly, no matter which outlet I'm watching. It's becoming less regular with continued lack of success as the myth fades, but have our set pieces really improved? Is MacPhee not also responsible for how we defend set plays? (Our defending of set plays is shocking lately).

I'm glad a long throw led to an Ings bicycle kick. I'm loath to quote Andy fucking Gray but I heard him analysing that goal a while back and they brought up the MacPhee impact. His response, quite rightly was, 'any manager could tell you a long throw can be effective.' The point was also made that if Fat Sam or Tiny Penis score goals via a long throw, they're a dinosaur. If a side with a set play specialist does it, they're ingenious and progressive.

Initially we saw a few cute, if ultimately ineffective routines. Hause scored a good goal from what was ultimately a simple corner and a bit of movement (does this require a 'specialist?') That was also as much down to Hause being better aerially than our other CH's (in fact Hause had swapped roles with Mings in that particular play, a call from Mings apparently).

Of late though, our set plays have been as monumentally shite as they've always been. Partly the fact no one can deliver a decent ball (hopefully Bailey changes that as his display against Everton teased), but some of the routines have been a bit secondary school playground.

We need a coach to work on passing and movement has modern football invented such things? I'm hoping going to a back four will see our defensive solidity get better, because I'm hoping we're not missing JT that much.

I've no problem persay with MacPhee, but he's getting too much reverence. Maybe that's coming largely outside of the club from the media. He seems influential on the touchline with Smith, and results and performances are suggesting we're not as good as last season and Joe aside, a big change in the coaching staff must have had an effect.

If there is still a myth about our set play specialist appointment being some stroke of genius, can we put it to bed now? Sky...et al...enough...

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #155 on: October 24, 2021, 03:50:02 PM »
He's been noticeably less visible on the bench since we've conceded 4 goals from set pieces in the last two games. It hasn't taken teams long to suss out the long throw to Mings from Cash in their area either, so I hope he's got a bit more than that in his locker.

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #156 on: October 24, 2021, 03:57:43 PM »
There was one 'long' throw from Cash against Arsenal that was so lacking in distance that it barely made it half way towards the nearest Villa player, and was duly gobbled up by an Arsenal defender with no Villa player anywhere close.

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #157 on: October 24, 2021, 07:07:35 PM »
I think MacPhee may be the problem with his tactics all of which would work lower down in the leagues but easily picked out in the premiership.

The long throw - might work once or twice to begin with but every team we are playing now are on to it.  Time to give it a rest.

The long punt to the corners (what I call a rugby kick) it is desperation tactic not one you wish to use.

We simply need to be playing with the skill our players have got not turning into a Wimbledon/Watford/Wolves/stoke/west brom/blues depending on what era your identify with

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #158 on: October 24, 2021, 07:08:42 PM »
There was one 'long' throw from Cash against Arsenal that was so lacking in distance that it barely made it half way towards the nearest Villa player, and was duly gobbled up by an Arsenal defender with no Villa player anywhere close.

I saw that, it didn't even make it into the penalty area.

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #159 on: October 24, 2021, 07:21:37 PM »
I'd like if we never saw a long throw again. Those are the tactics of a different era. If we could focus on retaining possession from throw ins that would be a welcome change.

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #160 on: October 24, 2021, 07:32:43 PM »
I've got no problem with a long throw every now and again but fuck me, not every time. As soon as Cash gets the ball on the touchline everybody is in the box waiting for it and the past few games they have become easy to defend against because the opposition no what is coming, why is nobody coming short in these circumstances to take advantage of the space left from the defending team?

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #161 on: October 24, 2021, 08:41:03 PM »
I've got no problem with a long throw every now and again but fuck me, not every time. As soon as Cash gets the ball on the touchline everybody is in the box waiting for it and the past few games they have become easy to defend against because the opposition no what is coming, why is nobody coming short in these circumstances to take advantage of the space left from the defending team?
Where it worked for peak era Stoke for example, was in having a team of absolute monsters in the box. Couldn't play football at all, but they were brick shithouses. Mings aside (who isn't actually that good in the air considering), we don't have that, which makes the whole exercise far less effective. Not that i'd want this at all.

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #162 on: October 24, 2021, 08:55:45 PM »
When your RB comes across to LB to launch a throw in, you know its gone too far.

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #163 on: October 24, 2021, 09:00:27 PM »
I've got no problem with a long throw every now and again but fuck me, not every time. As soon as Cash gets the ball on the touchline everybody is in the box waiting for it and the past few games they have become easy to defend against because the opposition no what is coming, why is nobody coming short in these circumstances to take advantage of the space left from the defending team?
Where it worked for peak era Stoke for example, was in having a team of absolute monsters in the box. Couldn't play football at all, but they were brick shithouses. Mings aside (who isn't actually that good in the air considering), we don't have that, which makes the whole exercise far less effective. Not that i'd want this at all.

The game at this level has moved on since Delap

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Re: Austin MacPhee
« Reply #164 on: October 24, 2021, 09:30:42 PM »
It's a useful weapon to have, but surely the key to it is to mix it up and keep opponent.s guessing

 


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