FFP

[Percy McCarthy]

Can anyone explain to me why the gigs are such a big deal anyway?

“Adjusted Revenue: This is determined by the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Sustainability Regulations, which only count authentic football-related earnings like broadcast rights, matchday ticket sales, commercial sponsorships, and player trading (net profits/losses).”

The basic calculation for SCR is football costs have to be less than 70% of adjusted revenue.

So do Beyoncé gigs and The Warehouse count or not?

[eamonn]

I have come across the concert debate a few times on the brum reddit page and promoters/organisers have popped up saying that it is common knowledge that Birmingham is a difficult place to sell tickets so some artists just avoid it. I think this is in relation to not global megastars but I always find it interesting. Most people seem to think in relation to the big artists that we're avoided a bit more because Manchester covers the North, London the South, and they think people in-between can just travel to either. Shit for us, like, but good for your Tottenham's.

The problem for a long while was always that the big venues are there (NEC, NIA etc), but the mid size venues aren't. We have one of the best (accoustically) venues in the world in the Symphony Hall, which is medium sized, and does do 'rock / pop' gigs, but it needs to find acts who can command the biggish prices and don't exploit that to play mega-venues.

Talking of Symphony Hall, three of the very best gigs I've been to have been there (David Byrne x 2, Kraftwerk), it really is a phenomenal venue, but I get why it isn't right for all. It's basically perfect for your middle aged types who care more about sound quality and what not more than anything else (me, effectively, and - to co-opt a Stewart Lee joke, the sort of people who go to Stewart Lee gigs).

It will never get edgy acts. The edgiest act I've ever seen there is Belle and Sebastian (awesome btw), which says a lot.

On a side note, going there for gigs has made me a massive fucking snob, I won't go anywhere for a gig if i even suspect the sound quality will be poor.

You need to get yourself to the warehouse for authentic beer throwing.  Sounds like it would be just up your street.

Yep, he needs to be adopted by Stone Island types by the chain-link fence between the Tame and Witton station and told, in no uncertain terms, to snap out of his bourgeois ways.

[dave.woodhall]

It's not just music. Our nightlife was appalling for decades, boxing doesn't sell well here and it's only been in the last few years that we've had the sort of crowds we should get. Brummies basically don't like parting with their money.

Mind you the same sort of thinking was put to us not selling out, or needing to expand, and yet hear we are.

The last few years have been incredible for us, although the Brummieness of our fanbase has changed. Without getting too Small Heath about it, we've finally managed to convert the casuals fans we've always had in the Midlands to matchgoing supporters.

[Ads]

Shrinking capacity temporarily is likely to drive demand up sufficiently to ensure they come back to fill the 50,000 Villa Park too. Quality product, reduced supply, signficant demand increase.

[pauliewalnuts]

Can anyone explain to me why the gigs are such a big deal anyway?

“Adjusted Revenue: This is determined by the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Sustainability Regulations, which only count authentic football-related earnings like broadcast rights, matchday ticket sales, commercial sponsorships, and player trading (net profits/losses).”

The basic calculation for SCR is football costs have to be less than 70% of adjusted revenue.

So do Beyoncé gigs and The Warehouse count or not?

Haven't we sold the Warehouse, though? And Villa Park for that matter?

Surely any revenue from things like gigs or the warehouse can't come in to the club, it'll go into the holding company (or whichever of our own organisations we sold it to)?

EDIT mind you,, matchday revenue obviously does, so what do I know. Football was much better when all this finance bullshit wasn't here.

[Percy McCarthy]

I think you’re right on the Warehouse. But according to the wording of the rule I posted, we couldn’t count money from gigs even if we owned it. Which is what made me think ‘why can Spurs count revenue from Beyoncé gigs?’

[pauliewalnuts]

I just checked, gigs and stadium event revenue are allowed to contribute to revenue for SCR considerations.

[Percy McCarthy]

I just checked, gigs and stadium event revenue are allowed to contribute to revenue for SCR considerations.

Thanks. Strange that they’re excluded from the list above.

[pauliewalnuts]

Where is that list from? I looked at UEFA - "Any other operating income from non-footballing activities". They do strip out non-football expenses, though.

[Percy McCarthy]

Where is that list from? I looked at UEFA - "Any other operating income from non-footballing activities". They do strip out non-football expenses, though.

God knows, I think it’s AI, which as we know is pretty unreliable.

[Percy McCarthy]

All our podcasters are shit at understanding it, getting the best guests on to talk about it, and asking them the right questions when they do.

[LeeS]

All our podcasters are shit at understanding it, getting the best guests on to talk about it, and asking them the right questions when they do.

Sounds like there’s a gap in the market for a more cerebral Villa podcast

[pauliewalnuts]

All our podcasters are shit at understanding it, getting the best guests on to talk about it, and asking them the right questions when they do.

Sounds like there’s a gap in the market for a more cerebral Villa podcast

The Villa Podcast is pretty cerebral. I mean, no guests or any of that stuff. Tom Holland often bigs it up.

And in the last episode they mentioned Marcus Aurelias (not a footballer). Although it'd be a great Brazilian player name.

[Percy McCarthy]

All our podcasters are shit at understanding it, getting the best guests on to talk about it, and asking them the right questions when they do.

Sounds like there’s a gap in the market for a more cerebral Villa podcast

The Villa Podcast is pretty cerebral. I mean, no guests or any of that stuff. Tom Holland often bigs it up.

And in the last episode they mentioned Marcus Aurelias (not a footballer). Although it'd be a great Brazilian player name.

Yeah, I think they’d do a good job of quizzing someone like Stefan Borsen on FFP.

Bardell had someone on from the Daily Mail who said all we have to do is keep qualifying for the Champions League and Dan acted as if he’d invented the wheel.

[eamonn]

Percy should have his own podcast about gangsters and SCR (interchangeable?).