FFP

[DrGonzo]

Here's to hoping that this will be the only season we have to behave like this to comply.  If we can boost our revenue stream, qualify for the next Big Cup and continue to broaden our overseas markets then we might be able to hold onto the likes of Wilson and Richards.

[Dante Lavelli]

Agree.  this emergency selling of youth players whilst buying others is short term, emergency fix.  The numbers are not massive but we will be carrying the transfer fees for the next four/five years.  Not massive but a waste if they’re not players we genuinely want (and ones that do are …Kellyman).

[Dogtanian]

Pretty sure it’s not in the owner’s or Emery’s master plan to bin off players we want for players we don’t want.

Every transfer is a gamble, but they’re certainly not buying Dobbin thinking he’s not got the potential to succeed with us.

[Dante Lavelli]

Pretty sure it’s not in the owner’s or Emery’s master plan to bin off players we want for players we don’t want.

Every transfer is a gamble, but they’re certainly not buying Dobbin thinking he’s not got the potential to succeed with us.

No but why buy both Illing Jnr and Dobbin when they play the same position?
hypothetically, for £10m more we could trigger Nico Williams’ release clause and avoid the whole ‘potential’ bit.

[Dogtanian]

Pretty sure it’s not in the owner’s or Emery’s master plan to bin off players we want for players we don’t want.

Every transfer is a gamble, but they’re certainly not buying Dobbin thinking he’s not got the potential to succeed with us.

No but why buy both Illing Jnr and Dobbin when they play the same position?
hypothetically, for £10m more we could trigger Nico Williams’ release clause and avoid the whole ‘potential’ bit.

He has the potential to play in more than one position, including Ollie’s.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5586504/2024/06/25/lewis-dobbin-aston-villa-transfer-rating/

[Dave]

Pretty sure it’s not in the owner’s or Emery’s master plan to bin off players we want for players we don’t want.

Every transfer is a gamble, but they’re certainly not buying Dobbin thinking he’s not got the potential to succeed with us.

No but why buy both Illing Jnr and Dobbin when they play the same position?
hypothetically, for £10m more we could trigger Nico Williams’ release clause and avoid the whole ‘potential’ bit.

Although the most recent reports were that Arsenal were now less interested as they were worried that their top earners would get upset about how much they'd have to pay him.

So given they've got plenty of players earning between £200,000 - 300,000 per week, I'd wonder how much we'd really pull at that thread.

[Dante Lavelli]

I don’t know much about him but I’m pretty sure Illing Jnr can also cover a number of positions.  Ultimately, if their ven diagrams basically overlap then there’s minimal net gain signing both (Jnr and Dobbin). …But FFP dictates we must. 

With better finances - and we are getting there - we can take the best bits or the rules whilst trying to also buy Nico Williams directly without buying two similar aged players that might reach his levels.

[Dogtanian]

Iling-Junior is more experienced and is more than likely coming to compete for a shirt.

Dobbin needs more development I think, so not sure he’s going to be starting any time soon.

So it’s not like they’re the same player.

The cost of Williams isn’t just the transfer fee, we are not going to pay his wage demands at this time.

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Williams is on £200,000 plus per week.

[PaulWinch again]

Williams won’t be coming here after his impact at the Euros.

[PaulWinch again]

Iling-Junior is more experienced and is more than likely coming to compete for a shirt.

Dobbin needs more development I think, so not sure he’s going to be starting any time soon.

So it’s not like they’re the same player.

The cost of Williams isn’t just the transfer fee, we are not going to pay his wage demands at this time.

Yup Illing-Junior will be looking to get into the first team.

[Dante Lavelli]

The point I’m failing to make is this juggling PSR rules means we have to buy and sell players for reasons other than their ability.

In an ideal world I don’t think we’d want to sign both Illing Jnr AND Dobbin (or sell Kellyman), so whilst we have got ourselves out of a hole we don’t want it to be an integral part of our transfer strategy.

Also, thanks to Emery, we are trading in a rising market, with players values increasing. Imagine having a bad season and falling prices. then we are at risk having to sell our best players at low prices.

[pauliewalnuts]

The point I’m failing to make is this juggling PSR rules means we have to buy and sell players for reasons other than their ability.

With regards to selling players, how is that any different to normal? We’ve sold plenty of good players we’d rather have held on to.

I think too much is being made of all this in the media. There is no way we are buying players just because it helps us and Everton.

I am sure we wouldn’t have bought Dobbin if we didn’t rate him. There is, though, a system of financial controls in place that forces clubs ton constantly be vigilant on their three year net spend and a result of that is that there are market distortions - like selling home grown players being particularly good for PSR numbers. It has become another element in assessing signings, yes, but not in itself a standalone reason for signing someone.

As for selling youth products, I hope we continue to do it. Academies consider producing one regular league player every few years as a financial success. We’ve generated a fortune with ours. 20m for a player with an hour’s worth of football? 20m for Chuk?

These figures all add up. Man City and Chelsea do the same - train and buy young players who never actually play for them and get sold for a lot of money.

We need to get used to this, it’s not a passing fad.

[LeeB]

The point I’m failing to make is this juggling PSR rules means we have to buy and sell players for reasons other than their ability.

In an ideal world I don’t think we’d want to sign both Illing Jnr AND Dobbin (or sell Kellyman), so whilst we have got ourselves out of a hole we don’t want it to be an integral part of our transfer strategy.

Also, thanks to Emery, we are trading in a rising market, with players values increasing. Imagine having a bad season and falling prices. then we are at risk having to sell our best players at low prices.

I don't agree on that, whilst it's obviously a factor we're also having to upgrade the squad in rapid time as a result of our success so there's the need to maybe trade some potential for experience to deal in the here and now.

[andyh]

Iling-Junior is more experienced and is more than likely coming to compete for a shirt.

Dobbin needs more development I think, so not sure he’s going to be starting any time soon....................

I'm sure we were saying the same about Rogers.