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Re: FFP
« Reply #3180 on: June 25, 2024, 09:47:17 AM »
In the future will we ever know what value of players we needed to sell, or does it only come out if you are charged for non-compliance?

Wouldn't have thought so...

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3181 on: June 25, 2024, 09:51:12 AM »
Couple of items from BBC Gossip:

Aston Villa have joined Chelsea in the race to sign Hoffenheim's 21-year-old Germany forward Maximilian Beier. (Sky Sport Germany), external

The Premier League has warned clubs that selling players to and from each other in order to comply with financial rules could breach regulations about acting in good faith. (Times - subscription required), external


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Re: FFP
« Reply #3182 on: June 25, 2024, 09:52:33 AM »
Premier League should concentrate on sorting out actual blatant breaches such as 115 first before dealing with any good faith issues.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3183 on: June 25, 2024, 09:56:12 AM »

🚨💣 Aston Villa have surpassed their requirement to sell players for PSR compliance & will now begin to make tactical improvements to their squad!
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Re: FFP
« Reply #3184 on: June 25, 2024, 10:20:37 AM »
Couple of items from BBC Gossip:

The Premier League has warned clubs that selling players to and from each other in order to comply with financial rules could breach regulations about acting in good faith. (Times - subscription required), external


Oh no! How dare we sell assets to comply with the rules. Anyone would think it was a business.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3185 on: June 25, 2024, 10:28:42 AM »
And, of course, the Premier League ratify all deals anyway, saying they will check stuff over just reinforces that they do. In a time when there's nothing else for football writers to talk about (yes I know it's Euro time but that's a handful of teams) thus is bound to get top billing and is the best clickbait they have.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3186 on: June 25, 2024, 10:29:23 AM »
I honestly don't quite see how it's any more nefarious than swap deals have always been.
I just read on Ian Taylors Wikipedia page that by including guy Whittingham in the deal meant that SWFC only made Guy Whittingham as profit so didn't need to  pay Port Vale any of the clauses in his transfer contract.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3187 on: June 25, 2024, 10:34:33 AM »
The offending Times article by Ziegler.  It says the PL are not commenting so where does this ‘monitoring’ come from? Oh yeah, stirring journalists and a lazy BBC. As I said previously the PL will do their very best to ignore this as they will not want another legal action on their plate

Premier League monitoring clubs over ‘PSR loophole’ deals

The Premier League is monitoring player transfers that could be used to exploit a loophole in its spending rules to ensure they do not breach regulations about clubs acting in good faith.

Everton, Aston Villa and Chelsea, who all face pressure in complying with Profitability and Sustainability Rules (PSR) for the 2023-24 season, have been involved in transfers or talks with a view to buying and selling players to each other.

The Premier League has rules about clubs being obliged to act in good faith towards each other and the league. If transfer fees were seen as heavily inflated to circumvent the PSR rules, that could potentially be viewed as a breach.

Villa signed Everton’s academy product Lewis Dobbin, 21, on Sunday, while the Merseyside club brought in Villa’s Tim Iroegbunam in a deal worth a reported £9million. Talks are also understood to be taking place about Villa selling another academy product, the 18-year-old midfielder Omari Kellyman, to Chelsea, with the home-grown Dutch defender Ian Maatsen moving the other way for £37.5million.

Everton are understood to have offered Newcastle United their striker Dominic Calvert-Lewin and want the 19-year-old winger Yankuba Minteh, who attracted the attention of numerous clubs while playing on loan for Feyenoord last season, to move the other way. However sources say Newcastle have reservations about Calvert-Lewin, who has had a chequered fitness record in recent seasons, and have received big-money offers for Minteh from the continent.

The transfers make financial sense for both the buying and selling clubs when it comes to complying with PSR for last season before the June 30 deadline. Clubs are limited to losing a maximum of £105million across a three-season period, though some losses can be written off, such as spending on infrastructure or youth football.

The entire transfer fee from the sale of an academy-raised player can immediately be banked as cash income, while the fee from any purchase of a player can be spread out across the length of his contract in a process called amortisation.

Therefore, for example, if a player is signed for £10million on a five-year deal, the amortised cost for a single season is only £2million.

The Premier League has declined to comment on any specific deals but other top-flight clubs believe they are within the rules, even if they are exploiting a loophole.

Clubs have been made aware that charging each other highly inflated fees to circumvent PSR rules would potentially be an issue for the league.

Its rule B15 states: “In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club, official and director shall behave towards each other club, official, director and the league with the utmost good faith. For the avoidance of doubt and by way of example only, it shall be a breach of the duties under this rule to act dishonestly towards the league or another club; or engage in conduct that is intended to circumvent these rules or obstruct the board’s investigation of compliance with them.”




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Re: FFP
« Reply #3188 on: June 25, 2024, 10:41:54 AM »
We’re free yes we’re free!

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3189 on: June 25, 2024, 12:06:32 PM »
I honestly don't quite see how it's any more nefarious than swap deals have always been.
I just read on Ian Taylors Wikipedia page that by including guy Whittingham in the deal meant that SWFC only made Guy Whittingham as profit so didn't need to  pay Port Vale any of the clauses in his transfer contract.

Sorry ignore what i put, i'm getting confused !
« Last Edit: June 25, 2024, 12:08:47 PM by Clark W Griswold »

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3190 on: June 25, 2024, 12:08:14 PM »
This rule, cited in the Times article is a bit of a worry:

Its rule B15 states: “In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club, official and director shall behave towards each other club, official, director and the league with the utmost good faith. For the avoidance of doubt and by way of example only, it shall be a breach of the duties under this rule to act dishonestly towards the league or another club; or engage in conduct that is intended to circumvent these rules or obstruct the board’s investigation of compliance with them.”

https://archive.ph/2TL8J#selection-2299.0-2299.498

Good luck enforcing those rules.

And if they do punish us, THEN, I would support legal action to fight any unjust punishments.

If we chose to go down that route of course.

But I doubt they will do anything because Chelsea is involved & punishing us over Kellyman means punishing Chelsea too.

And that wont happen.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3191 on: June 25, 2024, 12:08:15 PM »
The cartel clubs & the PL we’re dumb to it last summer when Forest wanted to trade in this way…but of course they werent worried about Forest.

Now it’s Villa, Chelsea and Newcastle who all have eyes on top 4 prize and Everton who will likely head that way too once sort out owners and new ground they have took an interest.

Enjoy every second of their indignation and whichever journalists they channel that indignation through

As for ‘spirit of…’ they can do one…remember the European Super League…jog on cartel cretins

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3192 on: June 25, 2024, 12:08:56 PM »
They are determined to dock points off us.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3193 on: June 25, 2024, 12:20:43 PM »
Couple of items from BBC Gossip:

Aston Villa have joined Chelsea in the race to sign Hoffenheim's 21-year-old Germany forward Maximilian Beier. (Sky Sport Germany), external

The Premier League has warned clubs that selling players to and from each other in order to comply with financial rules could breach regulations about acting in good faith. (Times - subscription required), external

So now we aren't allowed to sell to other clubs who also need to comply with their ridiculous rules?

I would really love to see them try & enforce this.

If Sawiris was in favour of the legal route before, one can only imagine his reaction if they do try.

And if they do, I would support both legal action against unfair punishments, but also the original legal action Sawiris eluded to about the unfair business & sporting practices of the current rules.

This would be the catalyst for changing my mind over that because it would be a reaction to the bullshit punishments, but also for the reasons why we needed to act like we have in the first place.

They are determined to dock points off us.

Great. Bring it on. I look forward to our lawyers ripping them a new arsehole...



🚨💣 Aston Villa have surpassed their requirement to sell players for PSR compliance & will now begin to make tactical improvements to their squad!
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There have been a lot of ups & downs with this process.

Some of the choices we have had to make I love, some of them I hate, but it will be interesting to see what we do with this bullshit out of the way.

« Last Edit: June 25, 2024, 12:26:01 PM by pablo_picasso »

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3194 on: June 25, 2024, 12:27:43 PM »
Why is it taking so long to deal with C115y yet others get pounced on immediately.

 


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