FFP

[paul_e]

Maybe something where everyone can spend the same  percentage amount that the highest  turnover club produces from the previous year ?

I wouldn't base it on the highest, just use a league wide average as the base. So, for example, 2x the league average on wages is the absolute limit and any club that is over that can't register new players until they get under the cap.

[Beard82]

It probably needs to be a mixture of measures to cover 2 or 3 different areas.

We dont want Stateback free spending - so some form of upper limit

We dont want clubs with massive debts as that makes them vunerable - so some form discouragement against that

We dont want clubes spending unsutainably as that makes them vunerable - so something that stops them from doing that

But we want to be able to support clubs who are showing growth beyond there revenue - maybe allowing clubs in europe to spend more

[ChicagoLion]

At some point there will be a breakaway and my bet would be the Saudis doing what they have with Golf.
The more restrictions UEFA try to enforce the more likely a split.
The action/ n action regarding C11560Y is a likely catalyst.

[Sexual Ealing]

It probably needs to be a mixture of measures to cover 2 or 3 different areas.

We dont want Stateback free spending - so some form of upper limit

We dont want clubs with massive debts as that makes them vunerable - so some form discouragement against that

We dont want clubes spending unsutainably as that makes them vunerable - so something that stops them from doing that

But we want to be able to support clubs who are showing growth beyond there revenue - maybe allowing clubs in europe to spend more

I don't want to come across all Norman Tebbit on this, but there has to be a degree of personal responsibility. We can't regulate away the concept of risk - if clubs behave in reckless ways, there are consequences for that (not necessarily bad ones if they get lucky).

Premier League football is a grotesquely capitalist enterprise. That means people/clubs will fail. It's sort of the point.

[LeeB]

At some point there will be a breakaway and my bet would be the Saudis doing what they have with Golf.
The more restrictions UEFA try to enforce the more likely a split.
The action/ n action regarding C11560Y is a likely catalyst.

This Club World Cup bollocks is the start of it, it's totally funded by the Saudis.

[Beard82]

It probably needs to be a mixture of measures to cover 2 or 3 different areas.

We dont want Stateback free spending - so some form of upper limit

We dont want clubs with massive debts as that makes them vunerable - so some form discouragement against that

We dont want clubes spending unsutainably as that makes them vunerable - so something that stops them from doing that

But we want to be able to support clubs who are showing growth beyond there revenue - maybe allowing clubs in europe to spend more

I don't want to come across all Norman Tebbit on this, but there has to be a degree of personal responsibility. We can't regulate away the concept of risk - if clubs behave in reckless ways, there are consequences for that (not necessarily bad ones if they get lucky).

Premier League football is a grotesquely capitalist enterprise. That means people/clubs will fail. It's sort of the point.

But isnt the idea that these are community assests so we shouldnt let them fail.

[Sexual Ealing]

It probably needs to be a mixture of measures to cover 2 or 3 different areas.

We dont want Stateback free spending - so some form of upper limit

We dont want clubs with massive debts as that makes them vunerable - so some form discouragement against that

We dont want clubes spending unsutainably as that makes them vunerable - so something that stops them from doing that

But we want to be able to support clubs who are showing growth beyond there revenue - maybe allowing clubs in europe to spend more

I don't want to come across all Norman Tebbit on this, but there has to be a degree of personal responsibility. We can't regulate away the concept of risk - if clubs behave in reckless ways, there are consequences for that (not necessarily bad ones if they get lucky).

Premier League football is a grotesquely capitalist enterprise. That means people/clubs will fail. It's sort of the point.

But isnt the idea that these are community assests so we shouldnt let them fail.

Then they ought to be run like community assets (perhaps on a non-profit basis), which means they'd only buy and pay players that the community asset can afford.

But they don't want that (owners and fans). They want to flatter themselves into thinking thy're at the razor edge of commerce. That means downside risk, either for the ownership/club or for the game as a whole.

[fredm]

Interesting article the other day which included Gary Neville’s view, that the Premier League will stop having relegation as soon as the ownership hits the 14 number. Once the owners hit that number they can control what happens. At the moment there are 11 clubs owned by Americans. Once they take over it will follow the American way of no relegation and become just a money making way.

[cdbearsfan]

Nah, that would lead to massive protests and they'd bottle it, like they did when fans protested the Super League.

[Percy McCarthy]

They’ll probably edge towards it, like two relegation spots and a play-off for the third.

Anyway, good news on the Bein TV deal for Middle East and North Africa, up 10%.

[cdbearsfan]

Even a playoff spot is awkward, as it would generally clash with intentionals. If they move the season forward to accommodate it, a potential English Champions League finalist could be sat around for weeks waiting for the match. The broadcasters like relegation and the clubs that matter aren’t afraid of it so I don't see it going anywhere. Reduction to eighteen teams is possible if the Guardiolas of this world keep moaning.

[cdbearsfan]

Even a playoff spot is awkward, as it would generally clash with intentionals. If they move the season forward to accommodate it, a potential English Champions League finalist could be sat around for weeks waitikh

[Rotterdam]

At some point there will be a breakaway and my bet would be the Saudis doing what they have with Golf.
The more restrictions UEFA try to enforce the more likely a split.
The action/ n action regarding C11560Y is a likely catalyst.

I think you've got a point.
My pal works for LiV golf and has told me for years that 'money is no object'. They offered Matsuyama well over $500m and he was persuaded to stay on the PGA tour. Tiger was offer $1b.
A guaranteed £1b per year to 14/16 or 18 clubs is peanuts.

You could go a couple from USA, three from Spain, Italy, England and couple from France, throw in Al-Nassar (or whatever they are called), some cannon fodder
from the Far East, maybe an African team or two.
I could see the big UEFA clubs joining a 'world league' played over Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon, and still keep their UEFA membership to compete as guests in the CL. When they have a CL game week, they have the weekends either side 'off'.
What this would do is allow a more open Premier League.

Players would love it, as less games and proabbly a huge increase in salary.

[Ads]

The pyramid is supposedly the English games strength, but its very hard to see any of the promoted clubs surviving again. A few more years of pointless promotions for inevitable relegations and this idea will seem more palatable.

[Dante Lavelli]

The pyramid is supposedly the English games strength, but its very hard to see any of the promoted clubs surviving again. A few more years of pointless promotions for inevitable relegations and this idea will seem more palatable.

I think the split could be a PL1 and PL2. There’s enough decent clubs in the championship to generate interest. This way the TV deals can continue to grow and it can be sold as a way of increasing funding further down and bridging the gap for the promoted teams.

More radically I could see the PL starting a TV company off the back of it, monopolising the coverage.