FFP

[paul_e]

I've thought the same, the only explanation I can come up with is that we've paid out a lot in bonuses based on finishing top 4.

These  numbers cone from the accounts of NSWE UK Ltd, which is the company through which Wes and Nasif own Villa. Thexaccounts state that the principal activity of the business is running a professional football club.
NSWE has no employees and the figures relate to Villa.

Players,  football management and coaching 270
Commercial, merchandising,, operations and foundation 253
Maintenance and admin 86
Parr time matchday l and other events 450

Wages and salaries  £218.6m
NI                                   £32.6m                 
Pension                           £0.8m

Yep, I saw that but it doesn't break that figure down enough to be useful in understanding why the wages are that high.

For coaches, players, etc the first team squad is, at a guess, about 40 people. If we also make an assumption that, at most, £20m of that is on academy/youth/etc. Then you still have the average wage of those 40 being the best part of £5m a year. That's a fair bit higher than the estimates here - https://www.capology.com/club/aston-villa/salaries/2023-2024/ - which seem reasonable. As I say I suspect we've paid something like another £30-40m in bonuses for making the champions league, it's the only way the numbers make sense to me.

[rob_bridge]

Bailey will go for 20-25m dependent on buyer. Buendia as good as gone.

I'd say to generate revenue one of Kamara Tielmans o Ramsey will go. Unless some Arabs bid 70m for Onana.

I'd see us signing one of high profile loanees back. Maybe Asensio for a full season.

[Stu82]

I've thought the same, the only explanation I can come up with is that we've paid out a lot in bonuses based on finishing top 4.

These  numbers cone from the accounts of NSWE UK Ltd, which is the company through which Wes and Nasif own Villa. Thexaccounts state that the principal activity of the business is running a professional football club.
NSWE has no employees and the figures relate to Villa.

Players,  football management and coaching 270
Commercial, merchandising,, operations and foundation 253
Maintenance and admin 86
Parr time matchday l and other events 450

Wages and salaries  £218.6m
NI                                   £32.6m                 
Pension                           £0.8m

Yep, I saw that but it doesn't break that figure down enough to be useful in understanding why the wages are that high.

For coaches, players, etc the first team squad is, at a guess, about 40 people. If we also make an assumption that, at most, £20m of that is on academy/youth/etc. Then you still have the average wage of those 40 being the best part of £5m a year. That's a fair bit higher than the estimates here - https://www.capology.com/club/aston-villa/salaries/2023-2024/ - which seem reasonable. As I say I suspect we've paid something like another £30-40m in bonuses for making the champions league, it's the only way the numbers make sense to me.

Wouldn’t the personnel numbers for NSWE include all the football clubs they have an interest in?

Also cannot believe for one moment Villa would pay bonuses of £30-40 million for getting to Champs league.

[Dante Lavelli]

Pfft, could have done with Doug, Diaby and Duran today.  Sadly the rules do not allow it.

[Grande Pablo]

Pfft, could have done with Doug, Diaby and Duran today.  Sadly the rules do not allow it.

I think we’d have been worse off - Doug went missing at the best of times.

I’d be interested to learn more as to how FFP & PSG get on together.  To be the best you have to beat the best but the playing field should be reasonably level.

[Drummond]

Pfft, could have done with Doug, Diaby and Duran today.  Sadly the rules do not allow it.

I think we’d have been worse off - Doug went missing at the best of times.

I’d be interested to learn more as to how FFP & PSG get on together.  To be the best you have to beat the best but the playing field should be reasonably level.

Luiz would have conceded a bunch of free-kicks on the edge of the box.

[tomd2103]

Pfft, could have done with Doug, Diaby and Duran today.  Sadly the rules do not allow it.

I think we’d have been worse off - Doug went missing at the best of times.

I’d be interested to learn more as to how FFP & PSG get on together.  To be the best you have to beat the best but the playing field should be reasonably level.

Not exactly sure what I'm looking at when I'm looking at financial figures, but from what I've read it looks like their annual revenue is around the €800m mark, whereas ours was €310.2m last year. 

[Dave]

Pfft, could have done with Doug, Diaby and Duran today.  Sadly the rules do not allow it.

I think we’d have been worse off - Doug went missing at the best of times.

I’d be interested to learn more as to how FFP & PSG get on together.  To be the best you have to beat the best but the playing field should be reasonably level.

Not exactly sure what I'm looking at when I'm looking at financial figures, but from what I've read it looks like their annual revenue is around the €800m mark, whereas ours was €310.2m last year. 

And while they spend (and have previously spent) stupid money on players, the money they've spent on the current squad isn't *that* crazy.

Vitinha and Fabian Ruiz combined cost them about the same as we paid for Onana. Nuno Mendes cost the same as Maatsen. Yeah, they spent £200m on their four main attackers, but that's not really any different to what Bayern / Man City / Chelsea / Liverpool etc have spent on theirs.

[OCD]

Tbf, that Doue and the Georgian guy looks worth the price.

[Smithy]

Pfft, could have done with Doug, Diaby and Duran today.  Sadly the rules do not allow it.

I think we’d have been worse off - Doug went missing at the best of times.

I’d be interested to learn more as to how FFP & PSG get on together.  To be the best you have to beat the best but the playing field should be reasonably level.

Not exactly sure what I'm looking at when I'm looking at financial figures, but from what I've read it looks like their annual revenue is around the €800m mark, whereas ours was €310.2m last year. 

And while they spend (and have previously spent) stupid money on players, the money they've spent on the current squad isn't *that* crazy.

Vitinha and Fabian Ruiz combined cost them about the same as we paid for Onana. Nuno Mendes cost the same as Maatsen. Yeah, they spent £200m on their four main attackers, but that's not really any different to what Bayern / Man City / Chelsea / Liverpool etc have spent on theirs.

They've gone from trying to build their own "galactico" side of incredibly talented world-renowned individuals with the likes of Neymar, Messi and Mbappe (and the associated cost of doing so), to buying younger players with incredible potential, but not yet the reputation and CV of a galactico (and therefore lower wages).  They won't always get it right, but they have bought brilliantly in the last couple of years.   

They paid a lot of money for the likes of Doue, Neves, Barcola and Kvaratskhelia (all in the 40-50m+ range) - but they were among the most promising young talents in world football, while also not yet being at the "Galactico" level.  It's a strategy that appears to have paid off for them, as they're not only very good players, but they work incredibly hard too.

To think Wolves passed up on the option to buy Vitinha for about £16m.  Blimey.

Best team we've played this season, and probably the best side I've seen us play since we came back up.  Longer term, I'd much rather see us build a side the way they've done it in the last year or two (buying younger talented players who aren't yet at the top, top leve), rather than spending fortunes on the starts who are already at the top.  Though I suspect that's the only option open to us anyway.

[Toronto Villa]

https://x.com/kieranmaguire/status/1910210803677962637?s=46

Chelsea parent company 22 Holdco Ltd, which owns both Chelsea and Strasbourg, lost £473 million in 23/24 taking losses to almost £1.1 billion in the first two trading years. The company borrowed £967 million and repaid loans of £317 million in the year

Nothing to see here.

[Percy McCarthy]

I think we need to jump on the ‘selling the women’s team’ bandwagon before the rules change on it. UEFA already don’t accept that money as legit, but they only fine you for it.

[tomd2103]

Tbf, that Doue and the Georgian guy looks worth the price.

I'm sure they said in commentary that they recently bought those pair for a combined fee of about €120m in the last two transfer windows.

[Dave]

The did. Kvaratskhelia was €70m in January, Doué was €50m in the summer.

We (and most of the rest of the league) were linked with Doué before he went to PSG.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

And while they spend (and have previously spent) stupid money on players, the money they've spent on the current squad isn't *that* crazy.

Vitinha and Fabian Ruiz combined cost them about the same as we paid for Onana. Nuno Mendes cost the same as Maatsen. Yeah, they spent £200m on their four main attackers, but that's not really any different to what Bayern / Man City / Chelsea / Liverpool etc have spent on theirs.

Very true. The number of top quality players they've picked up for €40m or less is most impressive. I wouldn't say no to a cheeky €40m summer bid for Gonçalo Ramos who can't be too happy sitting on the bench. For me he's the perfect Watkins upgrade we need. Does everything Watkins does but is younger and technically more advanced.