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Offline nick harper

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2475 on: May 21, 2024, 09:11:56 PM »
This has probably been mentioned, but isn't the effect of the financial doping similar to Red Bull in F1. They broke the rules and got a slap, but that rule-breaking led to their current dominance for which they've received no punishment.

This is why Man Cityís charges are unique. Itís simply fraud. Pumping illegal funds into the club for years under the cover of sponsorship, or receipts and payments outside their formal accounts and the obfuscating at every turn. It is this which has illegally put them at the top of annual revenues, above even Man U and Liverpool, genuine global clubs. Chelsea have done the same under Abramovich.

Itís completely different to Everton and Forest, who both co-operated, and were caught out by relatively small margins in comparison.

I donít think they will get the size of punishment the corruption justifies but there is a massive opportunity to right a wrong that continues to distort English football.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2476 on: May 21, 2024, 09:19:08 PM »
I like the idea that each year's breaches attract a points deduction for a single year.  The following year's breaches attract a points deduction during the following season, and so on.  You don't get to write it all off in one year of punishment.

You've been cheating for ten years? Okay, then you get the penalty over ten years.

It'll never happen, obviously, but it's nice to imagine it might.

Offline London Villan

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2477 on: May 21, 2024, 09:25:38 PM »
Relegate them to the 4th tier, then no promotion for the same number of seasons they cheated for.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2478 on: May 21, 2024, 09:27:27 PM »
I like the idea that each year's breaches attract a points deduction for a single year.  The following year's breaches attract a points deduction during the following season, and so on.  You don't get to write it all off in one year of punishment.

You've been cheating for ten years? Okay, then you get the penalty over ten years.

It'll never happen, obviously, but it's nice to imagine it might.

I like that idea...

Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2479 on: May 21, 2024, 09:32:40 PM »
I like the idea that each year's breaches attract a points deduction for a single year.  The following year's breaches attract a points deduction during the following season, and so on.  You don't get to write it all off in one year of punishment.

You've been cheating for ten years? Okay, then you get the penalty over ten years.

It'll never happen, obviously, but it's nice to imagine it might.

The years of not disclosing evidence should also be added.  This couldíve been sorted out ages ago if the gazillion lawyers were trying to be helpful rather than covering up whatís happened.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2480 on: May 21, 2024, 09:39:36 PM »
I like the idea that each year's breaches attract a points deduction for a single year.  The following year's breaches attract a points deduction during the following season, and so on.  You don't get to write it all off in one year of punishment.

You've been cheating for ten years? Okay, then you get the penalty over ten years.

It'll never happen, obviously, but it's nice to imagine it might.

The years of not disclosing evidence should also be added.  This couldíve been sorted out ages ago if the gazillion lawyers were trying to be helpful rather than covering up whatís happened.
Lawyers can be like therapists, they have a vested interest in keeping continuing the treatment.

Offline Steve67

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2481 on: May 21, 2024, 09:44:26 PM »
Itís interesting that this seems to be drawing closer to a conclusion and suddenly Pep is talking about not being there anymore as he has achieved everything. Coincidence?

Offline Percy McCarthy

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2482 on: May 21, 2024, 10:28:21 PM »
As an aside I just read somewhere that our position in the league means we have earned £164.4m from PL and TV money this year.  It is only £4m behind Liverpool.  Taking last season's earnings, that is a rise of around £15m.

Thereís an extra £15m on the turnover. Add in a plus 30% rise in spectators and UECL prize and broadcast money and my feeling that we have hit a quarter of a billion this season is looking good. £300m next year I reckon.

£300m this year so I read.

Wow, that would be some jump from £218m(?). Where did you read that?

Offline Percy McCarthy

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2483 on: May 22, 2024, 09:45:05 AM »
As an aside I just read somewhere that our position in the league means we have earned £164.4m from PL and TV money this year.  It is only £4m behind Liverpool.  Taking last season's earnings, that is a rise of around £15m.

We got £156m last year. That article (from The Mirror and reported on in Birmingham Live) was based on a sort of guess, ie. what fourth place received last year. I think it will be higher as we were on TV more so weíll get more facility payments, which are nearly a million pounds a match.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2024, 03:56:01 PM by Percy McCarthy »

Online kippaxvilla2

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2484 on: May 22, 2024, 10:22:57 AM »
Thatís good then.  Amazing that the bottom club get £104m.  No wonder they donít really get serious about staying up.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2485 on: May 23, 2024, 12:48:25 PM »
Good comments from Martin Samuel about us and our position. I only saw the article in the Birmingham Mail and I'm not sure what the policy is to posting links to that rag on here. They've only copied his comments from his own paper so I'll let someone else post a link if anyone's interested in what he says.

Offline purpletrousers

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2486 on: May 23, 2024, 01:08:10 PM »
Good comments from Martin Samuel about us and our position. I only saw the article in the Birmingham Mail and I'm not sure what the policy is to posting links to that rag on here. They've only copied his comments from his own paper so I'll let someone else post a link if anyone's interested in what he says.


The Times
ďWhy doesnít the Premier League want Aston Villa to thrive in Europe?
At the very point the Midlands club are in a position to flourish, they will have to sell players and act like paupers in a bargain basement store to meet PSR rulesĒ

https://archive.md/m398v

Offline OCD

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2487 on: May 23, 2024, 01:11:51 PM »
Thanks pt.

Offline Ads

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2488 on: May 23, 2024, 01:28:52 PM »
He's right.

Offline Duncan Shaw

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Re: FFP
« Reply #2489 on: May 23, 2024, 01:38:12 PM »
I don't agree with Martin Samuel often, but yes, he is!!  Imagine what we would be doing this window with no restrictions!

 


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