FFP

[Sexual Ealing]

Well, no, but attacking it on the grounds of unfairness is like attacking Coldplay for being boring. It's what they're there to do.

[pauliewalnuts]

That doesn't mean that we have to like it or accept it...

It does mean you have to accept it, because there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

[pablo_picasso]

No I don't.

I might recognise that its highly unlikely to change, but I can continue raise issue with it because I don't recognise it as correct in the spirit of the game.

There are lots of things that we all accept are unlikely to change yet we highlight nonetheless, be that in football, politics, etc.

[eamonn]

Well, no, but attacking it on the grounds of unfairness is like attacking Coldplay for being boring. It's what they're there to do.

About to headline Glastonbury for the *checks notes* fifth time!

[Simon Page]

I bet there's a huge crossover between Coldplay spectators and people who discovered an undying love for Newton Heath in the late 90s.

[pauliewalnuts]

No I don't.

I might recognise that its highly unlikely to change, but I can continue raise issue with it because I don't recognise it as correct in the spirit of the game.

There are lots of things that we all accept are unlikely to change yet we highlight nonetheless, be that in football, politics, etc.

You've got every right to raise it, yes, but football is not a democracy and they've spent the last 30 years loading on more shit. But we are still all here, wasting huge chunks of our free time on it.

You're right, of course we can highlight it, but we've got no choice but to accept it in the meantime, because they set the rules.

[pablo_picasso]

It could be argued that football is a democracy, due to Premier League voting, but I recognise what you are saying.

I think we are quibbling over the meaning of the word "accept" in different contexts here.

I understand that I cant change the scenario, therefore I have to acknowledge & accept that the scenario is unlikely to change.

But I am saying that I do not have to accept the scenario as being fair & correct.

Which is why I raise it as an issue. Similarly to how we all make comments regarding lineups, player performances, potential signings, etc. We have no control or ability to change any of those things. But we comment all the same.

If you think not being able to change something means that one has to accept it, then that means you have to accept my viewpoint on this matter because you cannot change my opinion.

I don't actually think that of course. Because context.

Either way, & more importantly than contextual grammar, I don't like the fact that ManU are allowed debts that small countries would baulk at, yet they are allowed to spend 400% more than Villa are, despite Villa having no debt & some of the wealthiest owners in the world.

Christ on a bike, international breaks are shit, lol...

I think for my own sanity I should take a break from here until something interesting happens with Villa...

[Hookeysmith]

What irks most of all (and i am sure it has been written countless times) that when any discussion is raised about FFP or whatever it is called nowadays any protagonists always rightly bring up the farce that is Man City and their 115 charges.

Whoever raises the issue, pundits, sky sports, Talk Shite, FA officials or even football financial experts it is discussed for a miniscule amount of time with none saying "They are fucked" or "dont worry their time will come"

I am totally convinced they are playing for time until their new shiny Euro league is ready to go again so whatever the FA charge them with will be irrelevant.

Not sure why the likes of Everton or Forest have just said they will not accept anything until they are dealt with.

There seems to be a reluctant acceptance that they will not get punished

[Dave]

Not sure why the likes of Everton or Forest have just said they will not accept anything until they are dealt with.

I'm sure the righteousness of their position will be a big consolation to them in the Championship next season.

[Stu]

Nothing will happen to Man City. There is no way politicians will let the deputy pm of a strategic ally be publicly shamed by allowing his team to be pinged for cheating, even if we all know they’re guilty. May as well make our peace with that now, rather than let hope, which is a lie, take hold.

[Villan82]

My hatred of Man City's cheating and its implications for us since 2008, is so intense it is the one thing that has almost driven me to give up on the sport.

[tomd2103]

My hatred of Man City's cheating and its implications for us since 2008, is so intense it is the one thing that has almost driven me to give up on the sport.

I don't like them, but they don't seem to have scooped up the hoardes of arrogant glory hunters that Manchester United and Liverpool.have over the years. 

[Dave]

My hatred of Man City's cheating and its implications for us since 2008, is so intense it is the one thing that has almost driven me to give up on the sport.

I don't like them, but they don't seem to have scooped up the hoardes of arrogant glory hunters that Manchester United and Liverpool.have over the years.

They've not had time to yet though, have they? The annoying guy in the pub or at work from our era isn't at that time of life yet.

The 8 -12 year old kids who decided to be Man City fans because of how good Aguero was on FIFA are probably doing their A-Levels now, and are still five years away from being in our societal bubbles.

They'll be there.

[Risso]

They've not had time to yet though, have they? The annoying guy in the pub or at work from our era isn't at that time of life yet.

The 8 -12 year old kids who decided to be Man City fans because of how good Aguero was on FIFA are probably doing their A-Levels now, and are still five years away from being in our societal bubbles.

They'll be there.

I can't speak for everywhere obviously, but all of our kids's friends who are into football still mainly support Man U or Liverpool. There are a few Leicester fans, but the majority are glory hunters. I can't think of any Man City fans, and you don't see many of their tops in Leicester, unlike those of the red Scousers and Mancs. There will be some, but I think they're miles away from getting anywhere near the other two.

[LeonW]

My hatred of Man City's cheating and its implications for us since 2008, is so intense it is the one thing that has almost driven me to give up on the sport.

I pretty much feel the same. Even if they get punished, it would have to be extremely significant to punish them for all those steps they’ve been able to bypass on the way to get to where they are now.

In the same way we may qualify for the champions league this season yet still have to sell an asset to meet our obligations in the medium term, Manchester City were able to completely bypass such considerations and continue on their trajectory. At the same time Randy pulled the plug on the spending, they went into overdrive.

That is one of the most significant considerations which often gets missed.