Dalian Atkinson trial

[Villan For Life]

Rest in Peace Dalian

[Toronto Villa]

This is why understanding the true meaning of the BLM movement is critical. This is why they kneel. This isn’t an isolated incident. And it’s just that it was seen and proven in court. So many incidents have taken place across so many years where the victims and their families have never received any form of justice. A tragedy that it happened to someone we had an affinity towards. But how about all of those we never knew?

[oldtimernow]

Speaking to a couple of friends of mine that are policemen, it is incredible the number of incidents that they are called to deal with that involve people that have mental health problems.

a benefit of care in the community in which care is starved of the necessary funding because as we all know there is no money tree (unless Serco etc is involved) and we have to pay it back (to whom)...

[BC54 VFC]

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/

[maidstonevillain]

Shortest prison sentence on record incoming.

I don't think so. I think manslaughter is correct verdict (just as I think it would have been in the Floyd case, at least under UK law parameters), but I think the sentence will be heavy to stop the whitewash arguments.

[cdbearsfan]

Defund the police.

[yammers]

Defund the police.

And do what exactly?

[lovejoy]

Defund the police.

Is this a joke?

[Hopadop]

Shortest prison sentence on record incoming.

I don't think so. I think manslaughter is correct verdict (just as I think it would have been in the Floyd case, at least under UK law parameters), but I think the sentence will be heavy to stop the whitewash arguments.

Here are the guidelines the judge has to follow

I'd say either High or Medium culpability so starting points of 12 or six years respectively, and up and down from there depending on the aggravating factors and mitigation.

[dr.chekov]

This is why understanding the true meaning of the BLM movement is critical. This is why they kneel. This isn’t an isolated incident. And it’s just that it was seen and proven in court. So many incidents have taken place across so many years where the victims and their families have never received any form of justice. A tragedy that it happened to someone we had an affinity towards. But how about all of those we never knew?

This is the point. I understand why people say taking the knee isn’t political, to counter the right’s claim that it’s orchestrated exclusively by a bunch of Marxists, but it clearly is political. Its aim is to fight not just a bunch of trolls sending racist abuse on social media but the racism faced by black people in their everyday lives, including at the hands of state institutions like police, courts, health service etc. That’s political.

[Sexual Ealing]

Shortest prison sentence on record incoming.

I don't think so. I think manslaughter is correct verdict (just as I think it would have been in the Floyd case, at least under UK law parameters), but I think the sentence will be heavy to stop the whitewash arguments.

Here are the guidelines the judge has to follow

I'd say either High or Medium culpability so starting points of 12 or six years respectively, and up and down from there depending on the aggravating factors and mitigation.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

[Drummond]

Shortest prison sentence on record incoming.

I don't think so. I think manslaughter is correct verdict (just as I think it would have been in the Floyd case, at least under UK law parameters), but I think the sentence will be heavy to stop the whitewash arguments.

Here are the guidelines the judge has to follow

I'd say either High or Medium culpability so starting points of 12 or six years respectively, and up and down from there depending on the aggravating factors and mitigation.

Given he's a trained police officer, who used a weapon (a Taser is classed as such) and the aggravating circumstances of going against training and his responsible position, that potentially he was the senior party and his girlfriend was involved, I'd think he could find himself looking at quite a bit of time. No doubt his previously good record will go in his favour.

[Hopadop]

Shortest prison sentence on record incoming.

I don't think so. I think manslaughter is correct verdict (just as I think it would have been in the Floyd case, at least under UK law parameters), but I think the sentence will be heavy to stop the whitewash arguments.

Here are the guidelines the judge has to follow

I'd say either High or Medium culpability so starting points of 12 or six years respectively, and up and down from there depending on the aggravating factors and mitigation.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

Steady on!  FWIW I reckon it'll be a starting point of 10 (for the kicks to the head) and possibly down a bit for (I assume) exemplary character.  But then there's a position of trust...So up and down and back to 10.

The only way it'll be a starting point of six is if the judge accepts he was genuinely in fear but used excessive force.  Hard to see given the evidence but without sitting in court and hearing it all you don't really get the full picture.

[Hopadop]

Shortest prison sentence on record incoming.

I don't think so. I think manslaughter is correct verdict (just as I think it would have been in the Floyd case, at least under UK law parameters), but I think the sentence will be heavy to stop the whitewash arguments.

Here are the guidelines the judge has to follow

I'd say either High or Medium culpability so starting points of 12 or six years respectively, and up and down from there depending on the aggravating factors and mitigation.

Given he's a trained police officer, who used a weapon (a Taser is classed as such) and the aggravating circumstances of going against training and his responsible position, that potentially he was the senior party and his girlfriend was involved, I'd think he could find himself looking at quite a bit of time. No doubt his previously good record will go in his favour.

Yes I think so.  If I was representing him I'd be more concerned about the kicks but it's hard to say without hearing his account about using the taser.  I think at that point he may have been believed, but it's behaviour after that condemned him I'd have thought.

[Risso]

However long he gets, I don't imagine his time inside is going to be particularly easy, as an ex-police officer who killed somebody.