Players that are simply not good enough

[LeeB]

Regarding Sanson, it's early days and we definatley shouldnt be writing him off (although the usual impatient among us no doubt will and already have) but I'm trying to work out what type of midfider he is. Is he defensive, attacking? He seems to be a mix of both.

I hope to God I'm wrong, and I'm not one to write players off without a chance, but there's a part of me that just feels he's going to one of those players that looks tidy enough without actually offering anything.

[PhilVill]

Trez - all fart and no shit. Sell
Traore - plays well when can be arsed which is pretty much never but stuck with for a while  as no one will want so will have to be in the squad
Hause - definitely keep as was very impressive when he was in team at Xmas. Distribution crap but best header in the squad
Sansom - far too early to make any sort of judgement
McGinn - plays well if allowed to play to his strengths, has a good football brain. Keep
El ghazi - if we get another winger, sell
Barkley - back to Chelsea you pop
Davis - sell, nowhere near Prem standard
Elmo - thanks and ta ta
Taylor - thanks and ta ta
Luiz - reckon he had his head turned in Jan and mind still not right. Shown how good he is so keep.

Lot of work required in summer, esp if Jack departs. Need to target 60 points next season with the money already spent and no doubt will be spent.

[Risso]

Regarding Sanson, it's early days and we definatley shouldnt be writing him off (although the usual impatient among us no doubt will and already have) but I'm trying to work out what type of midfider he is. Is he defensive, attacking? He seems to be a mix of both.

I hope to God I'm wrong, and I'm not one to write players off without a chance, but there's a part of me that just feels he's going to one of those players that looks tidy enough without actually offering anything.

Like Clampy says, it's not immediately apparent what sort of player he is, so it's hard to judge him.  The midfield three just isn't working though, whichever combination is picked.

[aj2k77]

None of the midfield 3 are particularly good at anything. None are quick or strong or have a great shot or great timing hitting the box. McGinn has a decent pass on him and decent energy levels. Luiz I struggle to see the excitement with him to be honest. Sanson it's too early to judge, he'll be better after a pre season.

[West Derby Villan]

Trez - all fart and no shit. Sell
Traore - plays well when can be arsed which is pretty much never but stuck with for a while  as no one will want so will have to be in the squad
Hause - definitely keep as was very impressive when he was in team at Xmas. Distribution crap but best header in the squad
Sansom - far too early to make any sort of judgement
McGinn - plays well if allowed to play to his strengths, has a good football brain. Keep
El ghazi - if we get another winger, sell
Barkley - back to Chelsea you pop
Davis - sell, nowhere near Prem standard
Elmo - thanks and ta ta
Taylor - thanks and ta ta
Luiz - reckon he had his head turned in Jan and mind still not right. Shown how good he is so keep.

Lot of work required in summer, esp if Jack departs. Need to target 60 points next season with the money already spent and no doubt will be spent.

Pretty much agree with that Phil

[Risso]

None of the midfield 3 are particularly good at anything. None are quick or strong or have a great shot or great timing hitting the box. McGinn has a decent pass on him and decent energy levels. Luiz I struggle to see the excitement with him to be honest. Sanson it's too early to judge, he'll be better after a pre season.

Luiz and McGinn do have great shots on them though, it's just that for whatever reason they're not doing it any more.

[aj2k77]

Maybe because they're never anywhere near the opponents area (especially in Luiz's case). I'm really not sold on Luiz being a defensive screen at all.

[brontebilly]

Maybe because they're never anywhere near the opponents area (especially in Luiz's case). I'm really not sold on Luiz being a defensive screen at all.

But he was excellent in that role after the restart last season. That form is a distant memory now unfortunately. He was a joke yesterday.

[aj2k77]

In general, over the course of 18 months he's been more miss than hit. I don't think he was bought with the intent on being the main defensive midfielder but Nakamba was so weak on the ball and too much of a liability that that's what he's ended up being. I don't think he's suited to it long term.

[montague]

Davis = to even talk about him as an asset speaks volumes.

There was a nice piece of play from him near the end of the game where he drove forward in middle of park past a couple of players and got a pass away that makes me think there is something there - he is clearly not an out and out goalscorer at this level

[ChicagoLion]

Davis = to even talk about him as an asset speaks volumes.

There was a nice piece of play from him near the end of the game where he drove forward in middle of park past a couple of players and got a pass away that makes me think there is something there - he is clearly not an out and out goalscorer at this level

He also set up the best chance of the game by winning a physical challenge with a defender.
He is much maligned but if it stops Traore Trez El Ghazi spending more time on the pitch I am all for it.

[brontebilly]

AEG, Trez, Engles, Davis , Elmo, Taylor, Connor should be certainties to go either because they are out of contract or not good enough or a mix of both.

Heaton will go too I expect and obviously Barkley.

[SoccerHQ]

Regarding Sanson, it's early days and we definatley shouldnt be writing him off (although the usual impatient among us no doubt will and already have) but I'm trying to work out what type of midfider he is. Is he defensive, attacking? He seems to be a mix of both.

He's an 8 really who chips in with 4-5 goals a season. Surprised me last night we had a three in there and he was highest pressing midfielder in there,, would've thought that would be McGinn's role.

Hard to see long run how midfield works with McGinn and Sanson, will have to be either as it's too samey. McGinn with 1 goal in what 40 league games now is a bit of a sobering stat.

[Risso]

Regarding Sanson, it's early days and we definatley shouldnt be writing him off (although the usual impatient among us no doubt will and already have) but I'm trying to work out what type of midfider he is. Is he defensive, attacking? He seems to be a mix of both.

He's an 8 really who chips in with 4-5 goals a season. Surprised me last night we had a three in there and he was highest pressing midfielder in there,, would've thought that would be McGinn's role.

Hard to see long run how midfield works with McGinn and Sanson, will have to be either as it's too samey. McGinn with 1 goal in what 40 league games now is a bit of a sobering stat.

1 goal in 48 for McGinn.
1 goal in 54 for Luiz

[oldhill_avfc]

Obvious ones ...
Heaton
Engels - is he still here?
Taylor
Elmo
Trezeguet

Decisions to be made ...
Luiz/Nakamba - sell one of them and keep the other as back up depending on who's comes in as new first choice central midfielder
Barkley - back to Chelsea, unless he's a freebie - which is very unlikely
Traore/El Ghazi - can't help but think there's something in El Ghazi, but don't need both
Davis - if we're not going to give him a chance in the next few games then no point in keeping him