Villa Park Redevelopment

[Simon Page]

Exactly. The corporates market isn't thinking of how stylish the local streets are or what houses go for in that postcode. They want a schmooze at a Premier League match. There are more than enough takers for expensive spaces at Villa Park as long as the facilities and offerings are good enough.

You might have a bigger tourist market to fleece for match tickets in that London, but for the finite availability at even a significantly enlarged Villa Park it makes no real difference.

[VillaTim]

Location is far from irrelevant.

Walk through the West End and you'll see as many ticket agencies selling London football tickets as they sell theatre tickets. Aston will never have that tourist market.

exactly, London has a much bigger market to draw on , hence why Fulham can sell basic seats at £230

[Ads]

We're talking about corporate tickets going at £650 notes in Tottenham compared to £350 at Villa Park. Yet you're just moving goal posts. I'm trying to think if you were as tedious as this on your two previously banned accounts.

[VillaTim]

It's not just the fact Spurs can charge a lot more , there is also more demand there due to location and they need more covers than we do. Same with Arsenal too and the likes of Fulham have been tapping into the wealthy floating market that is much bigger in the South east than the West Mids.

[Chris Harte]

It's not just the fact Spurs can charge a lot more , there is also more demand there due to location and they need more covers than we do. Same with Arsenal too and the likes of Fulham have been tapping into the wealthy floating market that is much bigger in the South east than the West Mids.

So you've got Spurs, Arsenal and Fulham. Don't forget Chelsea and West Ham, as well as Palace and Brentford. All in the same league.

Meanwhile, we've got Wolves as the most local competetion. Centre spot to centre spot it's 11.79 miles (yes, I've been messing about with Google Earth again).

All those London clubs I've mentioned above, if you draw a circle centred on the Emirates, all the other clubs fit into a circle with a radius of 11.79 miles. Do the same on Villa Park and it's Wolves. That's it.

And while Greater London has a greater population than the West Midlands (9.6m vs 2.6m) we've established that we're not looking at the locals to buy these kind of tickets.

[VillaTim]

It's not just the fact Spurs can charge a lot more , there is also more demand there due to location and they need more covers than we do. Same with Arsenal too and the likes of Fulham have been tapping into the wealthy floating market that is much bigger in the South east than the West Mids.

So you've got Spurs, Arsenal and Fulham. Don't forget Chelsea and West Ham, as well as Palace and Brentford. All in the same league.

Meanwhile, we've got Wolves as the most local competetion. Centre spot to centre spot it's 11.79 miles (yes, I've been messing about with Google Earth again).

All those London clubs I've mentioned above, if you draw a circle centred on the Emirates, all the other clubs fit into a circle with a radius of 11.79 miles. Do the same on Villa Park and it's Wolves. That's it.

And while Greater London has a greater population than the West Midlands (9.6m vs 2.6m) we've established that we're not looking at the locals to buy these kind of tickets.

rule at Palace and Brentford from that list . Palace is more Croydon than London and Brentford are tinpot. I'd add Fulham but they are what i'd call a boutique club and play off the location.
Success on the field of course will always help and if we can get into the Champions League that's a huge boost

[olaftab]

Yeah it's rough as fuck down there. They're not relying on locals though, in the same way that Villa don't rely very much on the locals from Aston to boost the numbers.

Exactly. We'd shift corporate at those prices to wealthy East Midlanders for example...

But someone has a problem with locals around B6, a bit like couple of other former posters and they keep reminding us on every occasion no change there.

[Chris Harte]

It's not just the fact Spurs can charge a lot more , there is also more demand there due to location and they need more covers than we do. Same with Arsenal too and the likes of Fulham have been tapping into the wealthy floating market that is much bigger in the South east than the West Mids.

So you've got Spurs, Arsenal and Fulham. Don't forget Chelsea and West Ham, as well as Palace and Brentford. All in the same league.

Meanwhile, we've got Wolves as the most local competetion. Centre spot to centre spot it's 11.79 miles (yes, I've been messing about with Google Earth again).

All those London clubs I've mentioned above, if you draw a circle centred on the Emirates, all the other clubs fit into a circle with a radius of 11.79 miles. Do the same on Villa Park and it's Wolves. That's it.

And while Greater London has a greater population than the West Midlands (9.6m vs 2.6m) we've established that we're not looking at the locals to buy these kind of tickets.

rule at Palace and Brentford from that list . Palace is more Croydon than London and Brentford are tinpot. I'd add Fulham but they are what i'd call a boutique club and play off the location.
Success on the field of course will always help and if we can get into the Champions League that's a huge boost

You can rule those two out all you wish but they're still within that radius (Wolverhampton isn't Birmingham, BTW) and as established PL clubs will have some ability to attract people willing to pay high-end amounts to watch their football in comfort.

Meanwhile, Villa's hospitality is routinely sold out. That, to me at least, means if they're not going to create more (like in a North Stand development, for instance) then the prices can go up.

[VillaTim]

It's not just the fact Spurs can charge a lot more , there is also more demand there due to location and they need more covers than we do. Same with Arsenal too and the likes of Fulham have been tapping into the wealthy floating market that is much bigger in the South east than the West Mids.

So you've got Spurs, Arsenal and Fulham. Don't forget Chelsea and West Ham, as well as Palace and Brentford. All in the same league.

Meanwhile, we've got Wolves as the most local competetion. Centre spot to centre spot it's 11.79 miles (yes, I've been messing about with Google Earth again).

All those London clubs I've mentioned above, if you draw a circle centred on the Emirates, all the other clubs fit into a circle with a radius of 11.79 miles. Do the same on Villa Park and it's Wolves. That's it.

And while Greater London has a greater population than the West Midlands (9.6m vs 2.6m) we've established that we're not looking at the locals to buy these kind of tickets.

rule at Palace and Brentford from that list . Palace is more Croydon than London and Brentford are tinpot. I'd add Fulham but they are what i'd call a boutique club and play off the location.
Success on the field of course will always help and if we can get into the Champions League that's a huge boost

You can rule those two out all you wish but they're still within that radius (Wolverhampton isn't Birmingham, BTW) and as established PL clubs will have some ability to attract people willing to pay high-end amounts to watch their football in comfort.

Meanwhile, Villa's hospitality is routinely sold out. That, to me at least, means if they're not going to create more (like in a North Stand development, for instance) then the prices can go up.

i don't disagree Heck can push it but on a smaller scale to your Spurs / Arsenals of this world and depending on where we finish this season will influence things too.
Some have lost sight of the fact that Terrace View and Lower Grounds aren't exactly selling that well

[Chris Harte]

i don't disagree Heck can push it but on a smaller scale to your Spurs / Arsenals of this world and depending on where we finish this season will influence things too.
Some have lost sight of the fact that Terrace View and Lower Grounds aren't exactly selling that well

(avoiding a quotathon)

It's well documented why TV and LG aren't doing so well. Aside from the location taking existing facilities away from "regular" fans, the food in the LG at least is slop. People will pay high-end for fine dining. They won't do that burgers, chips and liquid cheese on nachos.

[VillaTim]

i don't disagree Heck can push it but on a smaller scale to your Spurs / Arsenals of this world and depending on where we finish this season will influence things too.
Some have lost sight of the fact that Terrace View and Lower Grounds aren't exactly selling that well

(avoiding a quotathon)

It's well documented why TV and LG aren't doing so well. Aside from the location taking existing facilities away from "regular" fans, the food in the LG at least is slop. People will pay high-end for fine dining. They won't do that burgers, chips and liquid cheese on nachos.

our corporate areas don't serve fine dining though, granted its a step up from TV & LG , though Gas Lamp food is pretty poor standards too and i've had better food in average pubs than the pother areas . Maybe Heck will sort that out too

[Chris Harte]

i don't disagree Heck can push it but on a smaller scale to your Spurs / Arsenals of this world and depending on where we finish this season will influence things too.
Some have lost sight of the fact that Terrace View and Lower Grounds aren't exactly selling that well

(avoiding a quotathon)

It's well documented why TV and LG aren't doing so well. Aside from the location taking existing facilities away from "regular" fans, the food in the LG at least is slop. People will pay high-end for fine dining. They won't do that burgers, chips and liquid cheese on nachos.

our corporate areas don't serve fine dining though, granted its a step up from TV & LG , though Gas Lamp food is pretty poor standards too and i've had better food in average pubs than the pother areas . Maybe Heck will sort that out too

Director's Lounge is doing a five course meal, Eighty-Two Restaurant a four course meal. If it's not classed as fine dining it's still more than a step up.  Way more. My only experience of hospitality at VP the food was excellent.

[Risso]

The Lions Restaurant does a seven course taster menu with wine pairing. You don't get much more fine dining than that. (not that I've tried it).

[VillaTim]

the best food I've had at villa was corner flag restaurant when it had proper chefs and a full kitchen not boil in the bag corporate overpriced crap. That was on a non matchday when it was a fully functioning restaurant, think it's shut nowadays .
I'm happy with AliBabahs chippy when I go now , few cans from next door and maybe a mooch down private members club 

[London Villan]

The hospitality food i had at the springsteen was some of the worst food ive ever had in a football stadium, corporate or not. The whole experience was crap. Saved by the gig.