Villa Park Redevelopment

[RamboandBruno]

Bit of background on the Liverpool CPOs:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2013/may/06/anfield-liverpool-david-conn

Absolutely grim reading, that.

It is indeed, I sincerely hope we don’t act in a similar way over the coming years.

[pauliewalnuts]

I dont remember much outrage about it  was the story not picked up by the main news outlets or are they all run by Redshite fans ?

It was quite well covered at the time.

The Guardian covers any definition of main news outlet surely?

[Lastfootstamper]

You could run the story now and it'd barely be worth covering. Poorer people in shit housing being forced out by bodies pursuing wealth, it's hardly like it's a problem specific to Liverpool.

[Brazilian Villain]

I dont remember much outrage about it  was the story not picked up by the main news outlets or are they all run by Redshite fans ?

It was quite well covered at the time.

Their acquisition of the houses was discussed on here and I'm pretty sure I posted a link to the article back then.

[eamonn]

Just don't remember seeing it on the news or the red tops screaming about it.

[Sexual Ealing]

Just don't remember seeing it on the news or the red tops screaming about it.

"Wealthy organisation shits on those with no voice" isn't really the kind of thing the tabloids are into. "Greedy immigrant dole scum blocking Liverpool's path back to glory", now there's a headline.

[olaftab]

It’s quite horrid living in a mid terraced house with empty houses all around you. I did or my family did that for about 10 years till I was 14 before we moved out. Empty houses are infested with almost everything including unpleasant humans who keep threatening to do you harm if you told the council. There is more or less no security and supplies to the house gas electricity and water are continuously disrupted. You can’t do normal stuff which you actually don’t realise is normal till you move out. For example we never installed an outside TV aerial because there was a worry that someone will break in and steal the TV… etc etc. So I feel for the real victims of LFC owners greed.

[algy]

It’s quite horrid living in a mid terraced house with empty houses all around you. I did or my family did that for about 10 years till I was 14 before we moved out. Empty houses are infested with almost everything including unpleasant humans who keep threatening to do you harm if you told the council. There is more or less no security and supplies to the house gas electricity and water are continuously disrupted. You can’t do normal stuff which you actually don’t realise is normal till you move out. For example we never installed an outside TV aerial because there was a worry that someone will break in and steal the TV… etc etc. So I feel for the real victims of LFC owners greed.

When I was living in Liverpool, I went to go and see a bedsit to rent on edge lane, just seeing it was pretty cheap and not really knowing the area. Was properly grim, got off the bus then walked down an entire street of tinned up houses, turned the corner and literally of the 20 or so houses before I got to the one I was going to see, 18 were empty, tinned up, looked like they'd seen fires. The houses on the other side of the street hadn't done any better for themselves. Got to the house, knocked in the door, it opened and I swear the door was solid metal and about 6 inches thick, like something you'd get in a prison. Had a look around, it was alright I suppose, not sure it's somewhere you'd choose to live though. The guy asked if I had any questions, at this point really I just wanted to get back home, so I just asked "so ... Um ... do you get much trouble here?" Bloke just says "did you not see the street outside?" Or words to that effect.

It was mad, there's no way I'd wish someone to live in that environment and it's an absolute disgrace that Liverpool FC have not just allowed that to happen, been the main cause of it.



P.s. I tried to show my workings last night, couldn't work out how I'd done it in the first place - I was probably talking bollocks, albeit well intended.

[Risso]

It’s quite horrid living in a mid terraced house with empty houses all around you. I did or my family did that for about 10 years till I was 14 before we moved out. Empty houses are infested with almost everything including unpleasant humans who keep threatening to do you harm if you told the council. There is more or less no security and supplies to the house gas electricity and water are continuously disrupted. You can’t do normal stuff which you actually don’t realise is normal till you move out. For example we never installed an outside TV aerial because there was a worry that someone will break in and steal the TV… etc etc. So I feel for the real victims of LFC owners greed.

When I was living in Liverpool, I went to go and see a bedsit to rent on edge lane, just seeing it was pretty cheap and not really knowing the area. Was properly grim, got off the bus then walked down an entire street of tinned up houses, turned the corner and literally of the 20 or so houses before I got to the one I was going to see, 18 were empty, tinned up, looked like they'd seen fires. The houses on the other side of the street hadn't done any better for themselves. Got to the house, knocked in the door, it opened and I swear the door was solid metal and about 6 inches thick, like something you'd get in a prison. Had a look around, it was alright I suppose, not sure it's somewhere you'd choose to live though. The guy asked if I had any questions, at this point really I just wanted to get back home, so I just asked "so ... Um ... do you get much trouble here?" Bloke just says "did you not see the street outside?" Or words to that effect.

It was mad, there's no way I'd wish someone to live in that environment and it's an absolute disgrace that Liverpool FC have not just allowed that to happen, been the main cause of it.



P.s. I tried to show my workings last night, couldn't work out how I'd done it in the first place - I was probably talking bollocks, albeit well intended.

Edge Lane was crazy. Hundreds of massive old townhouses that if they were in a posh bit of London would be worth tens of millions. Nearly all boarded up, and on probably the busiest main road through the city as it joins up with the M62. Drove that way dozens of times as it led to where we'd get the ferry to/from the IOM, and it gave a terrible impression of the city. I think the houses have nearly all been demolished now.

[LeeB]

Parts of Toxteth are the same, massive piles either sub-divided or abandoned, though it's same in Brum in places like Erdington and Handsworth Wood

[OCD]

I thought this quote summarised the article well.

"If Liverpool had been honest from the beginning, said they wanted our houses to expand their ground, we're realistic, we know they're a huge football club, most of us support them, deals could have been done. Instead they were underhand, blighted the area and we've had to live like this for years."

I hope our owners act with more integrity and transparency if we find ourselves in a similar situation in the coming years.

[FatSam]

I thought this quote summarised the article well.

"If Liverpool had been honest from the beginning, said they wanted our houses to expand their ground, we're realistic, we know they're a huge football club, most of us support them, deals could have been done. Instead they were underhand, blighted the area and we've had to live like this for years."

I hope our owners act with more integrity and transparency if we find ourselves in a similar situation in the coming years.

I think that's the critical thing. The fact is that if done well, redevelopment of the ground has the capacity to improve the area for the benefit of the wider community. It is important that the club are upfront and honest about their intentions, and there is currently no reason to believe that they aren't being. Any redevelopment of Witton Lane is clearly in the long term, and dependent on a whole range of factors, such as continuing success and demand for tickets, and wider infrastructural improvements being delivered.

[Drummond]

Chelsea had a battle a couple of years ago didn't they? I'm sure I read about people who had flats that would suddenly be in the dark because of the size of a proposed new stand.

[VILLA MOLE]

I seem to remember seeing a documentary on a rundown street in Bootle where you could  buy the house for a £1 but you had to renovate it, quite a good watch actually

[Risso]

I seem to remember seeing a documentary on a rundown street in Bootle where you could  buy the house for a £1 but you had to renovate it, quite a good watch actually

That's been quite common in rundown areas of the country. It's just a nominal amount so that there's consideration, in the legal sense.