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Author Topic: Offside  (Read 5839 times)

Offline Gareth

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Re: Offside
« Reply #135 on: January 27, 2021, 08:42:22 AM »
If they had just admitted at the time that Moss & his linesman made an incorrect decision on the field & VAR spending less than 10 seconds reviewing it was an even bigger mistake it would have created a shitstorm for 24 hours then gone away....what the PGMOL did in that 10-15 minutes after the mistake to the ‘clarification’ of the decision to cover Moss & Co’s arse being issued to BT just compounded the error - you just know that in that office they tried to find a grey area in the rule that they could tag the mistake to to make it appear that the oaf had got it right.

At the same time somebody clearly told Walton to get into line behind the referee.

Offside WAS a very simple concept, the rule makers constantly adding interpretations and grey areas is where it has gone soooo wrong - just take out interfering with play or active/ non-active...make it black & white players are either the onside or offside.  That’s how you protect the officials, make it simple & don’t cover up mistakes. 

I honestly think there was less debate about decisions before VAfaRce was introduced to get more correct decisions - it adds absolutely nothing to the spectacle, takes all spontaneous celebration away & worst of all is used by likes of PGMOL to cover up the fact the standard of the on field refs is actually getting worse.

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Re: Offside
« Reply #136 on: January 27, 2021, 08:59:31 AM »
So will smith have his fine refunded?

Of course not, and I'm sure he's not expecting to.

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Re: Offside
« Reply #137 on: January 27, 2021, 09:12:12 AM »
So will smith have his fine refunded?
No chance. His frustration was completely understandable and has now been vindicated but you can't call the officials clowns. Even when it's true.

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Re: Offside
« Reply #138 on: January 27, 2021, 09:32:59 AM »
I think Smith will be happy enough that the clowns in charge have had to take retrospective action, proving his point valid.

We're down a rabbit hole with the introduction of VAR, it's very presence is invoking unwanted rule changes that will twist and turn in varying directions in reaction to incidents such as the one that happened to us in Manchester.

Last night is a fine example, the assistants have been told to delay flagging because of the ability to check post incident or goal. Massey flagged what she saw, with naked eye and without technical assistance, but play continued and we all saw the result. Now, the Sandwell players should've played to the whistle but I do have sympathy with players who see the flag and then adjust their response. If the flag hadn't gone up, would the goal have been scored, would the defenders have made a better fist of defending it? For me it's not a perfectly good goal due to the flag, there are questions marks over it's validity.

Now, without VAR and the old rules being in place, play would've stopped and a free kick would've been given. The TV would take another look, without lines and come to the conclusion that it was close and the assistant probably got it wrong, but the game would quickly move on. As it had for decades without issue.


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Re: Offside
« Reply #139 on: January 27, 2021, 09:48:36 AM »
Watched a bit of the milan derby last night. Incident in the box, ref waves play on. Inter player kicks the ball out immediately so the ref has chance to check on the screen. Didnt look like there was a italian stockley park involved. Ref reviews decision and changes his mind.

The tech in this instance just helps the on pitch ref, and the team who are aggrieved have to kick the ball out for it to be reviewed. Interesting approach.

Offline GordonCowansisthegreatest

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Re: Offside
« Reply #140 on: January 27, 2021, 09:51:24 AM »
I was under the impression that the instruction (to not flag) was only for marginal decisions! Anything obvious, should still be flagged immediately.
Then marginal decisions can be double checked, same for possible fouls. They are all miked up , so a quick word, check for foul/offside etc from lino/ref can be heard by all officials and Stockley Park.

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Re: Offside
« Reply #141 on: January 27, 2021, 10:00:44 AM »
Watched a bit of the milan derby last night. Incident in the box, ref waves play on. Inter player kicks the ball out immediately so the ref has chance to check on the screen. Didnt look like there was a italian stockley park involved. Ref reviews decision and changes his mind.

The tech in this instance just helps the on pitch ref, and the team who are aggrieved have to kick the ball out for it to be reviewed. Interesting approach.
That sounds a lot better and less complicated. But our lot won't give up Stockley Park without a fight. I imagine its a fantastic jolly for them.On a match day up to 10 games to oversee. That's at least two people in 10 separate rooms just sitting comfortably watching football with nice food and drink all day provided for free of course and getting paid handsomely.

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Re: Offside
« Reply #142 on: January 27, 2021, 10:28:04 AM »
The problem with Stockley Park is that it is full of refs, it shouldn’t be a ‘day off’ task to be the VAR - if you have to have VAR then they should be full time VAR people who are independent from referees- done properly (not played at how it is now) it is a full time role

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Re: Offside
« Reply #143 on: January 27, 2021, 10:33:47 AM »
Now they have 'clarified' something which didn't need clarification, IF Watkins was slightly off when Targett crossed, would it have counted cos their guy sliced the ball up in the air trying desperately trying block the cross from reaching him?  Their picking and choosing of rules and subsections is a farce.

Certainly didn't deliberately play the ball to him. In my opinion that should be offside all day long. I appreciate its a moot point aas he wasn't offside.

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Re: Offside
« Reply #144 on: January 27, 2021, 10:38:23 AM »
Watched a bit of the milan derby last night. Incident in the box, ref waves play on. Inter player kicks the ball out immediately so the ref has chance to check on the screen. Didnt look like there was a italian stockley park involved. Ref reviews decision and changes his mind.

The tech in this instance just helps the on pitch ref, and the team who are aggrieved have to kick the ball out for it to be reviewed. Interesting approach.
That sounds a lot better and less complicated. But our lot won't give up Stockley Park without a fight. I imagine its a fantastic jolly for them.On a match day up to 10 games to oversee. That's at least two people in 10 separate rooms just sitting comfortably watching football with nice food and drink all day provided for free of course and getting paid handsomely.

Warnock et al will love that, booting the ball out every five minutes "thought I saw a foul ref!"

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Re: Offside
« Reply #145 on: January 27, 2021, 10:52:06 AM »
Now they have 'clarified' something which didn't need clarification, IF Watkins was slightly off when Targett crossed, would it have counted cos their guy sliced the ball up in the air trying desperately trying block the cross from reaching him?  Their picking and choosing of rules and subsections is a farce.

Certainly didn't deliberately play the ball to him. In my opinion that should be offside all day long. I appreciate its a moot point aas he wasn't offside.
Watkins goal would count as a legal goal whether he was offside or not at any point during that passage of play simply because, crucially, he received the ball from the opponent. He made no challenge to get the ball he simply received it and therefore gained no advantage by being in an offside position. He gained an advantage from the defender making a hash of a clearance.

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Re: Offside
« Reply #146 on: January 27, 2021, 11:01:22 AM »
I have received this from a professional assistant referee at PGMOL

 "Guidance:

Following positive discussions, The IFAB has provided the following clarification emphasising what should be prioritised when interpreting similar situations in the future. The guidance for match officials in interpreting Law 11 will now include the following advice:

Where a player in an offside position immediately impacts on an opponent who has deliberately played the ball, the match officials should prioritise challenging an opponent for the ball, and thus the offside offence of ‘interfering with an opponent by impacting on the opponent’s ability to play the ball’ should be penalised.

Accordingly, if a similar situation to the one involving Rodri’s impact on Mings occurred in a future match, then the impact would be penalised for offside.​​​​​​

However, it is important to remember that where a player in an offside position receives the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (e.g. a mis-placed pass or miskick), including by deliberate handball, the player is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

Accordingly, Aston Villa’s first goal against Newcastle United on Saturday 23 January 2021 was correctly not penalised for offside as Watkins received the ball following a deliberate play by Schär and did not impact Schär’s ability to play the ball."

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Re: Offside
« Reply #147 on: January 27, 2021, 11:03:54 AM »
Hope you've put him right on the last paragraph.

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Re: Offside
« Reply #148 on: January 27, 2021, 11:11:22 AM »
It just makes you want to scream.

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Re: Offside
« Reply #149 on: January 27, 2021, 11:20:25 AM »
Exactly, it was always one of the key principles that the position of the ball on initial pass determines offside and level or behind is onside. Why are they so insistent that the debatable rule is the reason he wasn't offside?

 


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