Quote from: FatSam on January 22, 2021, 01:37:13 PMQuote from: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2021, 11:05:58 AMHe came in, spent a shit load of money that we didnt have on players that were not good enough. He had and has no idea of tactics which limited any chance of promotion. He failed miserably blamed everybody else until someone chucked a cabbage at him and then he fucked off. Good riddance.Di Matteo spent £54m (net £30m) summer 2016. Bruce spent £21m (net £5m) January 2017, £2m (net £-13m) summer 2017, £0m January 2018 (net £0m), £7m (net -£7m) summer 2018. A total of £30m (-£15m)Hogan was obviously a waste of money in terms of fee and wages, but all of the others were relatively low fees. Lansbury has obviously been a waste of wages, but most of the others have served a purpose, or been off-loaded. He generally played the loan market well. I agree that this wasn't sustainable long term, because by the time he left we had a relatively old squad apart from the loanees, had to go out and buy a whole new squad in summer 2019, and if we hadn't been promoted would have been royally fucked. However, someone (Xia?) was sanctioning these transfers, and you'd struggle argue that Hourihane, McGinn, El Ghazi, Taylor, Elmohamady and Whelan (ultimately) weren't good value.I agree that he didn't have a clue about tactics, and that he ultimately failed. However, he was starting from such a low base, with a squad that had been conditioned to lose football matches, and he did start to change this. I am pleased that he is no longer our manager, but I don't understand the animosity towards him.That all ignores signing fees and loan fees which was where he was literally giving money away to gamble on short term 'success'. If he'd won the play offs and then kept us up (both things Smith managed) I'd have held my hand up and admitted he's a better manager than I thought but the facts are he failed at the first part and left himself with a near impossible task to try again because the squad he'd assembled was a fucking mess and our problems and takeover meant he couldn't throw another 7-8 players at it and see what happened.
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2021, 11:05:58 AMHe came in, spent a shit load of money that we didnt have on players that were not good enough. He had and has no idea of tactics which limited any chance of promotion. He failed miserably blamed everybody else until someone chucked a cabbage at him and then he fucked off. Good riddance.Di Matteo spent £54m (net £30m) summer 2016. Bruce spent £21m (net £5m) January 2017, £2m (net £-13m) summer 2017, £0m January 2018 (net £0m), £7m (net -£7m) summer 2018. A total of £30m (-£15m)Hogan was obviously a waste of money in terms of fee and wages, but all of the others were relatively low fees. Lansbury has obviously been a waste of wages, but most of the others have served a purpose, or been off-loaded. He generally played the loan market well. I agree that this wasn't sustainable long term, because by the time he left we had a relatively old squad apart from the loanees, had to go out and buy a whole new squad in summer 2019, and if we hadn't been promoted would have been royally fucked. However, someone (Xia?) was sanctioning these transfers, and you'd struggle argue that Hourihane, McGinn, El Ghazi, Taylor, Elmohamady and Whelan (ultimately) weren't good value.I agree that he didn't have a clue about tactics, and that he ultimately failed. However, he was starting from such a low base, with a squad that had been conditioned to lose football matches, and he did start to change this. I am pleased that he is no longer our manager, but I don't understand the animosity towards him.
He came in, spent a shit load of money that we didnt have on players that were not good enough. He had and has no idea of tactics which limited any chance of promotion. He failed miserably blamed everybody else until someone chucked a cabbage at him and then he fucked off. Good riddance.
A friend of mine has seen the video of the cabbage incident. An old chap had done his shopping at Tesco and was let in with his carrier bag. He dropped the bag and the cabbage rolled out. It was never thrown but because of who it was and the problems he had the club did not reveal the truth.
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on January 22, 2021, 07:03:26 PMQuote from: Clampy on January 22, 2021, 07:02:32 PMThe rot needed to stop first and foremost regardless of who came in. Which a good manager would have done whilst being, well, good.The other names in the running at the time were Pearson, McLaren, Allardyce, Wagner and Smith. With the benefit of hindsight we can say that Smith would have been the best choice, but he was a couple of years less experienced and would have been arriving into a complete shit show. I don’t know who from the rest of the list would have taken the job, but which of them do you think would have been a better appointment, or would have performed better than Bruce?
Quote from: Clampy on January 22, 2021, 07:02:32 PMThe rot needed to stop first and foremost regardless of who came in. Which a good manager would have done whilst being, well, good.
The rot needed to stop first and foremost regardless of who came in.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 21, 2021, 07:08:15 PMQuote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 21, 2021, 04:55:42 PMQuote from: Jon Crofts on January 21, 2021, 03:37:19 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on January 21, 2021, 01:53:40 PMFTHPNJWBRNLESFTTFBSDFTCFSomething about Scotland?I've worked out 3 letters so far. The first and last F obviously, and the D for Dec.Horse Punching, No Jumper Wearing, Blaydon Racing, No Longer Everybody's Second Favourite Team, Topless Fat Bloking, Sports Direct Financed, Toon Crier.Newcastle are just us now from 2011-12 and 13-15. Incredibly boring team to watch for a neutral who's sole ambition is to just stay up under manager not one of their fanbase actually want so considering all the hype they had in the 90s (when they were a very exciting team) that must be more soul destroying than never winning anything.
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 21, 2021, 04:55:42 PMQuote from: Jon Crofts on January 21, 2021, 03:37:19 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on January 21, 2021, 01:53:40 PMFTHPNJWBRNLESFTTFBSDFTCFSomething about Scotland?I've worked out 3 letters so far. The first and last F obviously, and the D for Dec.Horse Punching, No Jumper Wearing, Blaydon Racing, No Longer Everybody's Second Favourite Team, Topless Fat Bloking, Sports Direct Financed, Toon Crier.
Quote from: Jon Crofts on January 21, 2021, 03:37:19 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on January 21, 2021, 01:53:40 PMFTHPNJWBRNLESFTTFBSDFTCFSomething about Scotland?I've worked out 3 letters so far. The first and last F obviously, and the D for Dec.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 21, 2021, 01:53:40 PMFTHPNJWBRNLESFTTFBSDFTCFSomething about Scotland?
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