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Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #105 on: January 22, 2021, 12:48:55 AM »
Very good!
Look what you've done now :'(

Ref cocks up Waves play on
Smith fought the law and the laws wrong
Smith fought the law and the law wrong
Where was the flag there was none?
Smith fought the law and the law wrong
Smith fought the law and the law wrong

Offline Sexual Ealing

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #106 on: January 22, 2021, 05:21:20 AM »
I concur, Footy.

Offline tony scott

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #107 on: January 22, 2021, 06:06:37 AM »
The amazing reach of Jon Moss, walking down the Main Street ,of the small Australia town ,where I live I started talking a Vietnamese lad wearing a PSG shirt, when he heard I supported the Villa, he said did you see that goal last night never a goal

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #108 on: January 22, 2021, 09:32:36 AM »
Wanker. (moss I mean.)

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #109 on: January 22, 2021, 10:29:07 AM »
The rules are bollocks.  You can't say that a "new phase" resets if a defender touches the ball, AND have the rule say that the attacking player becomes offside if he attempts a tackle.

Defender gets ball - not offside
Attacker tackles somebody - offside

How can he tackle somebody who hasn't got the ball?

Having read and re-read the full offside law several times I don't actually see a problem with it.  The problem is that Moss got it wrong and the PL have tried to justify it by referring to the bit of the rule that covers a player "receiving" the ball.  This was obviously put in to distinguish between mis-hit kicks that go to an offside attacker or interceptions of back passes (both onside), as opposed to deflections which would not play the attacker onside. Hence the use of the word "deliberately".

That scenario is completely different to this incident.  There was no deliberate attempt at a back pass or a miskick that meant Rodri "received" the ball.  He went and got the ball by challenging Mings for it.  There is another part of the law that specifically says such a challenge is deemed gaining an advantage and is therefore offside.

Long and short of it, Moss fucked up (again) PL trying to cover his arse, pundits and many fans buying it as "the letter of the law" , but in this situation it simply isn't.

Offline GordonCowansisthegreatest

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #110 on: January 22, 2021, 10:46:04 AM »
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.

Offline Risso

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #111 on: January 22, 2021, 11:22:17 AM »
The rules are bollocks.  You can't say that a "new phase" resets if a defender touches the ball, AND have the rule say that the attacking player becomes offside if he attempts a tackle.

Defender gets ball - not offside
Attacker tackles somebody - offside

How can he tackle somebody who hasn't got the ball?

Having read and re-read the full offside law several times I don't actually see a problem with it.  The problem is that Moss got it wrong and the PL have tried to justify it by referring to the bit of the rule that covers a player "receiving" the ball.  This was obviously put in to distinguish between mis-hit kicks that go to an offside attacker or interceptions of back passes (both onside), as opposed to deflections which would not play the attacker onside. Hence the use of the word "deliberately".

That scenario is completely different to this incident.  There was no deliberate attempt at a back pass or a miskick that meant Rodri "received" the ball.  He went and got the ball by challenging Mings for it.  There is another part of the law that specifically says such a challenge is deemed gaining an advantage and is therefore offside.

Long and short of it, Moss fucked up (again) PL trying to cover his arse, pundits and many fans buying it as "the letter of the law" , but in this situation it simply isn't.

Yes that's right. The 'defender playing the ball' clearly means that if Mings chests the ball down, controls it, and attempts to pass it to Konsa, but gives it to Rodri instead, then Rodri isn't offside and can freely and correctly try to score. What Rodri can't do, is try to tackle the player with the ball when coming back from an offside position. Which is EXACTLY what happened in our game.

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #112 on: January 22, 2021, 11:50:42 AM »
The rules are bollocks.  You can't say that a "new phase" resets if a defender touches the ball, AND have the rule say that the attacking player becomes offside if he attempts a tackle.

Defender gets ball - not offside
Attacker tackles somebody - offside

How can he tackle somebody who hasn't got the ball?

Having read and re-read the full offside law several times I don't actually see a problem with it.  The problem is that Moss got it wrong and the PL have tried to justify it by referring to the bit of the rule that covers a player "receiving" the ball.  This was obviously put in to distinguish between mis-hit kicks that go to an offside attacker or interceptions of back passes (both onside), as opposed to deflections which would not play the attacker onside. Hence the use of the word "deliberately".

That scenario is completely different to this incident.  There was no deliberate attempt at a back pass or a miskick that meant Rodri "received" the ball.  He went and got the ball by challenging Mings for it.  There is another part of the law that specifically says such a challenge is deemed gaining an advantage and is therefore offside.

Long and short of it, Moss fucked up (again) PL trying to cover his arse, pundits and many fans buying it as "the letter of the law" , but in this situation it simply isn't.
That's a very good summary of Wednesday's events.

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #113 on: January 22, 2021, 12:00:57 PM »
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.

Offline SheffieldVillain

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #114 on: January 22, 2021, 12:03:29 PM »
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.

Yeah, we don't want loads of unfair decisions to start going against us when we play the 'big clubs'.

Oh.

Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #115 on: January 22, 2021, 12:04:59 PM »
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.
The creation of PGMOL is an absoloute disgrace, they are like a Mafia organisation and seem able to operate above the law.
I still believe Smith has to stand up with the full support of the club.

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #116 on: January 22, 2021, 12:08:48 PM »
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.

Yeah, we don't want loads of unfair decisions to start going against us when we play the 'big clubs'.

Oh.
I wanted to highlight the word really but can't do it on my phone.

Offline The Edge

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #117 on: January 22, 2021, 12:12:57 PM »
Keith Hackett former referees chief is calling Jon Moss arrogant for the way he dealt with Dean Smith's red card. He said "I don't know why he was even over there right in front of Dean Smith. It was as if to say look at me" "The third office could of dealt with it. That's what he's there for"
I'm starting to loathe Jon Moss.

Offline Risso

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #118 on: January 22, 2021, 12:16:48 PM »
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.

Whatever the wrongs and wrongs of the actual offside decision, that has no bearing on his insult to Moss. Managers and players know you can't insult the ref, so while Moss may be a fat, corrupt, useless, fat, corrupt, clown shoe wearing, fat, corrupt imbecile, you just can't say as such. It'll probably be the best 20K or whatever that Dean ever spends though.

Offline GordonCowansisthegreatest

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Re: Jon Moss
« Reply #119 on: January 22, 2021, 12:17:03 PM »
God help Moss if he comes back to VP with fans back!
Love to have him running the line in front of us.

 


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