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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2020, 11:46:40 AM »
I agree, but what's the point of signing older players if they aren't? If you want players to create pressure from behind the current 11 then you do it by buying players who will improve quickly and that means looking at the 21-25 age range which is where you generally get those big bumps in performance. If you sign players older than that then they need to come in to compete for the shirt immediately, pushing the current starter into a rotation/cover role (like Barkley with Hourihane for example). Signing 27+ aged players to sit on the bench is the main reason MoN wasted so much money and opportunity when we could've broken into the top 4 with a better transfer policy and we definitely wouldn't have had a decade of shit trying to recover from the problems he created either.

Agreed, but I'd take older players on loan for the rest of the season in certain circumstances.

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2020, 11:49:49 AM »
Emi buendia from norwich for trez's place.

Yes the Norwich players Buendia 23 years age really player on his day.  Adds the creativity.
Todd Cantwell 22 too would add much energy .

I would like David Brooks of Bournemouth 23 years old can play right and attacking midfield really good player

On championship players and contracts expiring I see
Forward /Attacker Josh King Bournemouth 28 would be someone who would add the competition and a bit of quality.
Can take a penalty too!



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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2020, 11:59:13 AM »
I agree, but what's the point of signing older players if they aren't? If you want players to create pressure from behind the current 11 then you do it by buying players who will improve quickly and that means looking at the 21-25 age range which is where you generally get those big bumps in performance. If you sign players older than that then they need to come in to compete for the shirt immediately, pushing the current starter into a rotation/cover role (like Barkley with Hourihane for example). Signing 27+ aged players to sit on the bench is the main reason MoN wasted so much money and opportunity when we could've broken into the top 4 with a better transfer policy and we definitely wouldn't have had a decade of shit trying to recover from the problems he created either.

Agreed, but I'd take older players on loan for the rest of the season in certain circumstances.

Absolutely, older players to come in for a specific job are definitely not something we should be against, just not signed on permanent deals as squad filler. Thankfully everything from the club suggests they have exactly the same concerns as me in that regard so I doubt we'll see those sort of signings.

If Wesley is still struggling for fitness I'd be all for a Giroud or Antonio on a short deal to fill the gap but only for half a season, longer than that and you're just kicking a problem down the road for next year which has bene our strategy far too often in the past. Martinez is the sort of signing I want us concentrating on, a player with plenty of years ahead of him who's ready to go 'out of the box' and improves our first 11. Look at Man City, the 2 big signings that built their success were Kompany and Aguero who have both given most of their career to the club, Kompany in particular came in very early and became the leader of their rise to the top.

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2020, 12:06:54 PM »
I think Konsa could well become a Villa legend for years to come, he just needs somebody as good as he is to play next to.

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2020, 12:36:07 PM »
I think Konsa could well become a Villa legend for years to come, he just needs somebody as good as he is to play next to.

I very nearly mentioned him in my post, I agree completely. I disagree with you on Mings though, I think he's good enough for where we are and want to be for the next couple of years. He's had a couple of bad games but he's still a mid-table premier league player.

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2020, 12:55:56 PM »
I think Konsa could well become a Villa legend for years to come, he just needs somebody as good as he is to play next to.

I very nearly mentioned him in my post, I agree completely. I disagree with you on Mings though, I think he's good enough for where we are and want to be for the next couple of years. He's had a couple of bad games but he's still a mid-table premier league player.

He's had dozens of bad games.  He must have been responsible for more soft goals conceded than anybody else.  I really think he's living off his reputation from the year when we came up, because he's been mostly poor since then.  If he played for one of the teams at our current level we wouldn't want him.

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2020, 01:10:21 PM »
I think Konsa could well become a Villa legend for years to come, he just needs somebody as good as he is to play next to.

I very nearly mentioned him in my post, I agree completely. I disagree with you on Mings though, I think he's good enough for where we are and want to be for the next couple of years. He's had a couple of bad games but he's still a mid-table premier league player.
konsa was quality against west ham

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2020, 01:11:21 PM »
I think Konsa could well become a Villa legend for years to come, he just needs somebody as good as he is to play next to.

I very nearly mentioned him in my post, I agree completely. I disagree with you on Mings though, I think he's good enough for where we are and want to be for the next couple of years. He's had a couple of bad games but he's still a mid-table premier league player.

He's had dozens of bad games.  He must have been responsible for more soft goals conceded than anybody else.  I really think he's living off his reputation from the year when we came up, because he's been mostly poor since then.  If he played for one of the teams at our current level we wouldn't want him.

I'm sorry but this isn't right.  Mings has made mistakes at times, but he has effectively has 1 full season at centre-half in the Premier League, in a team that struggled and had injuries.  He is now 9 games into a season with a new goalkeeper behind him, right back and for the first time has a settled centre-half partner.  Even Virgil Van Dyke looked shite against us early in the season, it happens.

Also, where are these mythical centre-backs who are so much better than him.  As far as I can see you have the likes of John Stones and Nathan Ake at Man City, Eric Dier at Spurs and Harry Maguire at Man Utd getting regular games, and yet none of them look any better than Mings to me - in fact, given the option how many would you honestly pick ahead of him for England at the moment?

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #68 on: December 02, 2020, 01:20:01 PM »
I think Konsa could well become a Villa legend for years to come, he just needs somebody as good as he is to play next to.

I very nearly mentioned him in my post, I agree completely. I disagree with you on Mings though, I think he's good enough for where we are and want to be for the next couple of years. He's had a couple of bad games but he's still a mid-table premier league player.

He's had dozens of bad games.  He must have been responsible for more soft goals conceded than anybody else.  I really think he's living off his reputation from the year when we came up, because he's been mostly poor since then.  If he played for one of the teams at our current level we wouldn't want him.

I'm sorry but this isn't right.  Mings has made mistakes at times, but he has effectively has 1 full season at centre-half in the Premier League, in a team that struggled and had injuries.  He is now 9 games into a season with a new goalkeeper behind him, right back and for the first time has a settled centre-half partner.  Even Virgil Van Dyke looked shite against us early in the season, it happens.

Also, where are these mythical centre-backs who are so much better than him.  As far as I can see you have the likes of John Stones and Nathan Ake at Man City, Eric Dier at Spurs and Harry Maguire at Man Utd getting regular games, and yet none of them look any better than Mings to me - in fact, given the option how many would you honestly pick ahead of him for England at the moment?

Sorry, wasn't aware that we had to have English centre backs.  The fact that they're all mediocre doesn't excuse Mings in any case.  He has all the attributes to be an amazing centre half, in strength, height and speed, but also all the failings that will stop him achieving what he should be capable of. He can't concentrate for a whole match, he loses the player he should be marking over and over again, he's rubbish at defending corners and set pieces and he tries too many daft things when in possession.  You don't see Konsa making the mistakes that Mings does time and time gain, and he's much younger and has even less experience.

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2020, 01:34:17 PM »
I think Konsa could well become a Villa legend for years to come, he just needs somebody as good as he is to play next to.

I very nearly mentioned him in my post, I agree completely. I disagree with you on Mings though, I think he's good enough for where we are and want to be for the next couple of years. He's had a couple of bad games but he's still a mid-table premier league player.

He's had dozens of bad games.  He must have been responsible for more soft goals conceded than anybody else.  I really think he's living off his reputation from the year when we came up, because he's been mostly poor since then.  If he played for one of the teams at our current level we wouldn't want him.

I meant in the last couple of games not since we got the premier league.

I like him not because of the promotion season but because I think he's a good player that needs to work on a few things in his game. I think he's on a similar level to most central defenders in the top half of the premier league.

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2020, 01:35:58 PM »
Are we being linked with Carlton Palmer?

Offline Pat Mustard

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #71 on: December 02, 2020, 02:14:02 PM »
I think Konsa could well become a Villa legend for years to come, he just needs somebody as good as he is to play next to.

I very nearly mentioned him in my post, I agree completely. I disagree with you on Mings though, I think he's good enough for where we are and want to be for the next couple of years. He's had a couple of bad games but he's still a mid-table premier league player.

He's had dozens of bad games.  He must have been responsible for more soft goals conceded than anybody else.  I really think he's living off his reputation from the year when we came up, because he's been mostly poor since then.  If he played for one of the teams at our current level we wouldn't want him.

I'm sorry but this isn't right.  Mings has made mistakes at times, but he has effectively has 1 full season at centre-half in the Premier League, in a team that struggled and had injuries.  He is now 9 games into a season with a new goalkeeper behind him, right back and for the first time has a settled centre-half partner.  Even Virgil Van Dyke looked shite against us early in the season, it happens.

Also, where are these mythical centre-backs who are so much better than him.  As far as I can see you have the likes of John Stones and Nathan Ake at Man City, Eric Dier at Spurs and Harry Maguire at Man Utd getting regular games, and yet none of them look any better than Mings to me - in fact, given the option how many would you honestly pick ahead of him for England at the moment?

Sorry, wasn't aware that we had to have English centre backs.  The fact that they're all mediocre doesn't excuse Mings in any case.  He has all the attributes to be an amazing centre half, in strength, height and speed, but also all the failings that will stop him achieving what he should be capable of. He can't concentrate for a whole match, he loses the player he should be marking over and over again, he's rubbish at defending corners and set pieces and he tries too many daft things when in possession.  You don't see Konsa making the mistakes that Mings does time and time gain, and he's much younger and has even less experience.

So where are the foreign centre-backs that are playing for other teams that are so much better then?  Pretty much everyone is conceding a lot more goals this season, it will be interesting to see how many of these lapses in concentration reduce when there are crowds back in the stadium screaming at the centre backs.

As for losing his man,  given we seem to mark zonally most of the time surely this is a collective thing - I don't see how Mings is any more culpable for the goals we've been conceding than Konsa is(or the rest of the team for that matter).  Konsa has been great this season and is a real prospect, but we seem to be getting back to finding a scapegoat for all of our ills when in reality there is collective blame.  Last season Targett was the main focus of everyone's ire, now he appears to be more settled we've moved onto someone else.

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #72 on: December 02, 2020, 02:15:07 PM »
With Wes being back soon a striker not so pressing. For me a massive upgrade needed on Trez/El Ghazi and a decent CB to properly challenge Konsa and Mings. Hause not good enough and Engels made of glass.

A new left back would also be great but that can always wait till the summer

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #73 on: December 02, 2020, 02:15:56 PM »
Ah the old scapegoat nonsense.  At that point, any further debate becomes pointless.

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #74 on: December 02, 2020, 02:16:33 PM »
Players like Charlie Taylor and the rest listed on expiring contracts such as Lundstrum are players who are a decent age and deserve a big time move for being steady and effective at Premier league level.
Either of these would add the competition to places at left back and central midfield.

Ok so maybe they are the type of signings Newcastle or Palace may make rather than ourselves but its good to have a solid back up player who understands he's part of a squad

Like the gk position having someone who can do a job is important to be a solid back up in a tricky season.
We also need the added quality to improve the squad which would come with bigger signings but the out of contract players are more supplement to the squad.

Jesse Lingard and Damaru Gray would be gambles who can produce but also careers have been stitled and a change can encourage them to be better performers again

I'm not against either as in the right system and team they would be very effective.

Striker wise Giroud would be the only one for a shirt term nove as a central striker.





Lundstrom would be a very astute move. Ive heard Demari Gray is Spurs bound on a free come the summer

 


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