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Crystal Palace
« on: October 01, 2020, 01:48:42 AM »
Every Crystal Palace fan there ever was owes a debt of gratitude to Aston Villa.

The origins of their club go back to a handful of youths who ahead of attending the 1905 FA Cup final at the Crystal Palace between Villa and Newcastle United thought that instead of watching others, “Why don’t we form a team of our own?" It is not thought that a lamppost was involved.

Later they had the foresight to write to the great Aston Villa telling them of their plans and how impressed they had been with Villa, who in a moment of munificence typical of our forefathers sent them a couple of sets of shirts to set them on their way. This was why Crystal Palace continued to play in claret and blue for decades, until the whims of Carnaby Street intervened and started messing with the shirts and thereby destroying football history.





But there is much more to the story than a set of shirts. The Palace lads decided at the outset that they needed to put things on proper footing and immediately set up a company with a capital value of £5,000. Seeing that they were serious and in need of professional help Villa allowed their assistant secretary E. Goodman to be appointed business manager. Having been tutored under the guidance of the immortal George Ramsa,y Palace knew they had got the best. It is reported that Villa continued to pay Mr Goodman's wages for several years and that he eventually stayed with Palace for 25 years.

Having got themselves a club and then a ground, like Chelsea at the same time they immediately applied for admission to the Southern League and like Chelsea were accepted immediately, no questions asked. And both Crystal Palace and Chelsea immediately entered the FA Cup. No problem, except they had to start in the qualifying rounds

After winning four rounds Palace were drawn away at second division Blackpool in the first round proper in 1906 and showed their credentials by coming away with a 1-1 draw, a score that was repeated after extra time in South London four days later.
A second replay would be needed. No prizes for guessing the neutral ground they chose; Villa Park.

There the fairy story ended as Blackpool won 1-0. After the game Villa, who were in need of a full-back, offered £200 for Scott of Blackpool but the offer was rejected. We must have treated the directors well afterwards in the Oak Room. Thus the link with Palace showed immediate dividends when twelve months later they let us have a future legend from them in the shape of Charlie Wallace (57 goals in 349 over fourteen seasons)





In 1913 they got to appear at Villa Park again this time against the real McCoy  But in front of 42,000 they did not distinguish themselves as a 5-0 win kept us on the road to the final at the real Crystal Palace, where Sunderland were our victims. This despite Wallace remaining the answer to a quiz question for decades until John Aldridge did the same against Wimbledon, when he missed a penalty

Perhaps our ex-centre half, Alec Leake, had a liking for the colours when he moved to Palace as trainer from Burnley. But after finally settling in Selhurst Park, clearly Palace were not to be taken lightly and their big moment really came when they were admitted to the third division in 1921 and won it in the inaugural season.


In 1924, then in the second division, Villa Park was chosen again as a neutral ground for a second round, second replay against Notts County. A third consecutive 0-0 meant they had to come back here the following week. Finally, both managed a goal and our one-time satellite club triumphed 2-1.

We then more or less lost contact with Palace until 1962, when we were drawn together in the third round. Victory for Villa against third division opponents was by no means a certainty and there was a certain nervousness about the outcome because at outside-right they had a Villa nemesis, Ronnie Allen, coupled with a rarity for the third division, the current England centre-forward, Johnnie Byrne.
Palace played in white with claret and blue bands across the chest. We took advantage of a recent change in the rules and stuck to tradition.





Predictably, Byrne scored twice and with the score 3-3 thousands of disappointed Villa fans were already heading for the exits when the ball reached Harry Burrows out on the left touchline. To this day nobody can tell you if he meant it as a centre but the ball flew into the net high over the floundering hands of goalkeeper Rouse. A famous goal which did no more than set up the even more famous match against Peterborough United.

The link with Palace took a sinister turn in 1968 when at the height of the Revolution Villa director Bill Lovsey perversely used the organ of the Crystal Palace programme to attack the malcontents (i.e.ME). He is thought to have had a relative on the Palace board. “Clearly the outside world still believes in Aston Villa. I wish the same could be said of people who are now trying to ruin the club.”  No wonder I took it personally.

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Re: Crystal Palace
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2020, 05:33:58 AM »
Excellent article once again.

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Re: Crystal Palace
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2020, 07:00:02 AM »
Great article John.

It is stunning how much early influence Villa had on other teams and it's great to read about it.

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Re: Crystal Palace
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2020, 07:41:07 AM »
Totally fascinating piece of work. Thank you for it John.

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Re: Crystal Palace
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2020, 08:18:46 AM »
I'd heard about us giving them shirts and being at the 1905 Cup Final, but the rest was all news to me. Fascinating stuff.

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Re: Crystal Palace
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2020, 12:10:36 PM »
Only had a sporadic knowledge of this.  Great to have the full story. 

So we helped out London teams Palace and West Ham (Kit stealers)*.  I'd like to know the definitive story about that too if you know it John.

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Re: Crystal Palace
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2020, 12:13:10 PM »
Thanks John, I always knew there was a Villa connection with Palace but was never entirely sure what it was. Always had a soft spot for Palace in the 80s, their youth team and ours were streets ahead of the competition and I watched their youth team at Selhurst Park many times.

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Re: Crystal Palace
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2020, 01:39:45 PM »
Nice work John. Fascinating piece of Villa history.

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Re: Crystal Palace
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2020, 01:19:26 PM »
Brilliant stuff!!!
Just heard Palace fan Kevin Day on Chiles's slot on 5Live saying he wants Palace to return to wearing claret and blue stripes!
Chiles made no comment!
UTV!

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Re: Crystal Palace
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2020, 11:25:34 AM »
another great article John...

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