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Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #105 on: October 21, 2020, 04:26:04 PM »
Win tomorrow, and we'll be 6 points clear of dropping out of the top 4, with a massively superior goal difference.  I think we've seen we don't need to fear anybody, my only worry is that we don't really have much in the way of quality replacements for what is a very good first team.  If we keep all the key players fit, I think we'll be top 6 with a realistic chance of top 4.
Injuries and suspensions are inevitable, just hope that the injuries are not too frequent or severe.

Villas next 10 matches up to boxing day see no match vs a last year's top 4 and in fact only like of Arsenal and Wolves away considered the toughest of prospects.

There is real opportunity here to be in top to top 4 still by boxing day !

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2020, 05:01:02 PM »
We'll be top ten at least, but we'll have a Gregory-style (1998?) collapse at some point and finish lower than we're promising right now.

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2020, 07:26:41 PM »
The lowest that a team has finished after beginning a top-flight English league season with 4 wins from 4 games is 15th. This has been done three times, including by Aston Villa in 1900/01.

Fun fact, Billy Garraty was in that Villa team.

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2020, 07:30:06 PM »
The lowest that a team has finished after beginning a top-flight English league season with 4 wins from 4 games is 15th. This has been done three times, including by Aston Villa in 1900/01.

Fun fact, Billy Garraty was in that Villa team.
His great great grandson has a family duty to improve that.

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #109 on: October 21, 2020, 10:00:56 PM »
Win tomorrow, and we'll be 6 points clear of dropping out of the top 4, with a massively superior goal difference.  I think we've seen we don't need to fear anybody, my only worry is that we don't really have much in the way of quality replacements for what is a very good first team.  If we keep all the key players fit, I think we'll be top 6 with a realistic chance of top 4.

Get the feeling January is going to be pretty interested if we can keep up this form for another 10 games.

Would imagine the owners will see this season as unique opportunity and sanction money for 2-3 more good players to come in even if one or two are loan deals.

That's something we didn't take full advantage of in some of the MON seasons when we were in top 4 mid season. Little spending in January and then our players who were playing every week due to little on the bench hit the wall physically around March while rivals used their squad far more and the results reflected this.


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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #110 on: October 21, 2020, 10:03:52 PM »
We'll be top ten at least, but we'll have a Gregory-style (1998?) collapse at some point and finish lower than we're promising right now.

That was some collapse btw. Pretty sure we were top of the league still into early February. By final game we finished 6th and behind West Ham which was a bit embarrassing. 12 points off Leeds in 4th although think it was only top 3 who went into CL in those days.

08/09 next worst given how strong we were looking at the time. 3 wins from our final 15 league games.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2020, 10:05:27 PM by SoccerHQ »

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2020, 10:56:52 PM »
The lowest that a team has finished after beginning a top-flight English league season with 4 wins from 4 games is 15th. This has been done three times, including by Aston Villa in 1900/01.

Fun fact, Billy Garraty was in that Villa team.
His great great grandson has a family duty to improve that.

That's a great fact.
Was Garrity also a forward and skilled player like Jack ? It's hardly ever mentioned in any media coverage of matches just small mention his relative of a villa player

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #112 on: October 21, 2020, 11:02:56 PM »
He was in the Villa side which won the FA Cup in 1905 but Jack already has twice as many England  caps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Garraty?wprov=sfla1

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #113 on: October 22, 2020, 12:05:22 AM »
He was in the Villa side which won the FA Cup in 1905 but Jack already has twice as many England  caps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Garraty?wprov=sfla1

MOTM in that cup final too. (I had it in my head he’d captained us but that was the Prince of Full Backs himself. Not a FairPlay title Matty Cash will be earning after his ‘debagging’ antics. (Yes, we’ve been to nice etc, not disagreeing...)

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #114 on: October 22, 2020, 07:25:34 AM »
We'll be top ten at least, but we'll have a Gregory-style (1998?) collapse at some point and finish lower than we're promising right now.

That was some collapse btw. Pretty sure we were top of the league still into early February. By final game we finished 6th and behind West Ham which was a bit embarrassing. 12 points off Leeds in 4th although think it was only top 3 who went into CL in those days.

08/09 next worst given how strong we were looking at the time. 3 wins from our final 15 league games.

Think 4 teams did qualify for the Champions League then, as I have a feeling that Villa were the last team to finish 4th (in 1996) and not qualify for it.

We were also the last Runner-up not to qualify for it 🙄

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #115 on: October 22, 2020, 07:42:16 AM »
Win tomorrow, and we'll be 6 points clear of dropping out of the top 4, with a massively superior goal difference.  I think we've seen we don't need to fear anybody, my only worry is that we don't really have much in the way of quality replacements for what is a very good first team.  If we keep all the key players fit, I think we'll be top 6 with a realistic chance of top 4.

Yeah I think that’s it. The first 11 is really strong, but there’s a big drop off to most of the replacements.

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #116 on: October 22, 2020, 08:31:03 AM »
We'll be top ten at least, but we'll have a Gregory-style (1998?) collapse at some point and finish lower than we're promising right now.

That was some collapse btw. Pretty sure we were top of the league still into early February. By final game we finished 6th and behind West Ham which was a bit embarrassing. 12 points off Leeds in 4th although think it was only top 3 who went into CL in those days.

08/09 next worst given how strong we were looking at the time. 3 wins from our final 15 league games.

Think 4 teams did qualify for the Champions League then, as I have a feeling that Villa were the last team to finish 4th (in 1996) and not qualify for it.

We were also the last Runner-up not to qualify for it 🙄

A slight tangent, but weren't we also the first team that couldn't qualify for Europe via finishing runners-up in The Cup in 2015?

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #117 on: October 22, 2020, 08:32:55 AM »
Yeah, Hull qualified in exactly the same circumstances the year before.

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #118 on: October 22, 2020, 09:08:52 AM »
The lowest that a team has finished after beginning a top-flight English league season with 4 wins from 4 games is 15th. This has been done three times, including by Aston Villa in 1900/01.

If we beat Leeds we'll be one of only 12 sides to have won five (or more) of their first Premier League games. Of the other eight, Newcastle finished sixth (94/95), all the others top four.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2020, 09:15:57 AM by Mellin »

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Re: Final League Position
« Reply #119 on: October 22, 2020, 09:31:02 AM »
We'll be top ten at least, but we'll have a Gregory-style (1998?) collapse at some point and finish lower than we're promising right now.

That was some collapse btw. Pretty sure we were top of the league still into early February. By final game we finished 6th and behind West Ham which was a bit embarrassing. 12 points off Leeds in 4th although think it was only top 3 who went into CL in those days.

08/09 next worst given how strong we were looking at the time. 3 wins from our final 15 league games.

Think 4 teams did qualify for the Champions League then, as I have a feeling that Villa were the last team to finish 4th (in 1996) and not qualify for it.

We were also the last Runner-up not to qualify for it 🙄

Neither of these facts is true, last fourth placed team not to qualify was Tottenham in 2012, last runner-up not to qualify was Newcastle in 1996.

 


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