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Author Topic: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)  (Read 146035 times)

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1845 on: May 22, 2022, 09:23:00 PM »
I'm not saying we should sell him but his touch... I just can't get over it when I see it. I tend to just laugh now. He works his balls off and then he just let's himself down.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1846 on: May 22, 2022, 09:23:54 PM »
His work rate is great, but I don't think it's sufficient to cover for his poor technical ability, at least not if we want a top half finish.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1847 on: May 22, 2022, 09:47:02 PM »
I think he's bang short of confidence lately.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1848 on: May 22, 2022, 09:52:24 PM »
Thing thing is, at his age, is he going to improve?

The one where he muscled Ferandinho off the ball, then allowed him to get a tackle back in, really poor play. Can he get better? I dunno

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1849 on: May 22, 2022, 10:03:42 PM »
I wouldn't get rid, but I wouldn't be relying upon him to the extent we are. 11 goals, 1 in 3, is decent. But can we improve? It won't be cheap.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1850 on: May 22, 2022, 10:20:51 PM »
Watkins has got to take one of those two chances today.

He has a similar skill set to Gabby in terms of his technique and finishing ability.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1851 on: May 22, 2022, 10:28:43 PM »
I wouldn't get rid, but I wouldn't be relying upon him to the extent we are. 11 goals, 1 in 3, is decent. But can we improve? It won't be cheap.

Depends how much we could sell Ollie for. If we could get £40m for him I'd bite their hand off. Reinvest that money with a more qualified striker and we're laughing. Toney? Abraham? There must be others that are far more suited to Gerrard's style of play that wouldn't cost much more than £40m-£60m. Isn't that what Man City do; sell well and upgrade?

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1852 on: May 22, 2022, 10:37:18 PM »
If you compare us to say West Ham, a team we want to catch and probably the most realistic competitor to do so, their main attacking three in Antonio, Bowen and Benrahma got 30 goals between them.  They also had a few midfielders chipping in with 5 goals, whilst it was only Ramsey for us. Spurs as a team aren’t stuffed with talent, but in Son and Kane they have two world class forwards who got 40 goals between them.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1853 on: May 22, 2022, 10:40:52 PM »
WHU got lucky, all three of those you mention came from the Championship and weren’t really considered first line in that, they’ve come come good and fair play but there is an element of luck

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1854 on: May 22, 2022, 10:42:09 PM »
I wouldn't get rid, but I wouldn't be relying upon him to the extent we are. 11 goals, 1 in 3, is decent. But can we improve? It won't be cheap.

Depends how much we could sell Ollie for. If we could get £40m for him I'd bite their hand off. Reinvest that money with a more qualified striker and we're laughing. Toney? Abraham? There must be others that are far more suited to Gerrard's style of play that wouldn't cost much more than £40m-£60m. Isn't that what Man City do; sell well and upgrade?

I'm not sure either Toney or Abraham are "more qualified" and Man Citeh just spend shitloads of money. Can't remember them ever selling anyone for big money since Abu Dhabi came in.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1855 on: May 22, 2022, 10:57:13 PM »
If you compare us to say West Ham, a team we want to catch and probably the most realistic competitor to do so, their main attacking three in Antonio, Bowen and Benrahma got 30 goals between them.  They also had a few midfielders chipping in with 5 goals, whilst it was only Ramsey for us. Spurs as a team aren’t stuffed with talent, but in Son and Kane they have two world class forwards who got 40 goals between them.

Helped that they had a settled front three. I think you have Watkins, Buendia and Coutinho as your main three all season they wouldn't get far off thirty between them.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1856 on: May 22, 2022, 11:15:00 PM »
I wouldn't get rid, but I wouldn't be relying upon him to the extent we are. 11 goals, 1 in 3, is decent. But can we improve? It won't be cheap.

Depends how much we could sell Ollie for. If we could get £40m for him I'd bite their hand off. Reinvest that money with a more qualified striker and we're laughing. Toney? Abraham? There must be others that are far more suited to Gerrard's style of play that wouldn't cost much more than £40m-£60m. Isn't that what Man City do; sell well and upgrade?

I'm not sure either Toney or Abraham are "more qualified" and Man Citeh just spend shitloads of money. Can't remember them ever selling anyone for big money since Abu Dhabi came in.

Leroy Sané - £54m
Ferran Torres - £49m
Danilo - £33m
Iheanacho - £25m

And that's just for starters under Guardiola.

To begin with both Toney and Abraham can control a ball thus making them "more qualified" than Ollie 'Benson' Watkins.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1857 on: May 22, 2022, 11:19:06 PM »
Abraham couldn't hack it in the Premier League. Toney got one more goal than Watkins but five of his (compared to one for OW) were penalties. If we are replacing Watkins I'd want far better than either of those.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1858 on: May 22, 2022, 11:25:33 PM »
Abraham couldn't hack it in the Premier League.

He’s still only 24 and in one of his two proper seasons in the Premier League he got 15 goals in 34 games. I could live with him not hacking it with stats like that.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1859 on: May 22, 2022, 11:29:43 PM »
That's better than I thought, to be fair. Still a no for me, though. I don't feel his all-round game is as good as Watkins'. If we are replacing him I want a Coutinho-level world class player in his place. Same if we are bringing in a new centre-half. Quite good isn't going to get us into the top four.

 


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