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Online LeeB

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1515 on: January 24, 2022, 03:23:30 PM »
I know lots of people don't like stats, and insist they can be misleading, but Ollie's shots-to-goals conversion rate this season is 12.8%.  Last season it was 14.4%.  Ings is at 19% this season. 

For comparison, Jamie Vardy is on 25%, Firminio 26%, Salah 20% and England captain Harry Kane is at 8%.

Across a season, most top strikers are well into the teens, and the season's top performers can be well into the 20s.

And before anyone reads TOO much into these numbers, here's a stat for you.  Last season Keinan Davis had a better shots-to-goals ratio than Mason Greenwood.

That last part is not hard to believe. As talented as he is, Greenwood plays like a 10 year old, gets the ball, runs and tries to shoot whilst completely oblivious to his teammates.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1516 on: January 24, 2022, 03:23:39 PM »
Messing around with the formation and trying to make it with 2 upfront really hasn't helped him this season. If we keep the set-up as we had it on Saturday I think we'll start to see the best of him.

If anything, he's somewhat out of practice in that role and it showed on Saturday so I think a few more games and he will come up to speed. He still had a couple of decent chances, albeit one was offside.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1517 on: January 24, 2022, 03:24:26 PM »
Hey come on, wouldnt be H & V unless one of the players was being slagged. Mings and Buendia  had a good game Saturday so it must be Ollies turn....

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1518 on: January 24, 2022, 03:44:33 PM »
I wouldn't write off Watkins, I like him and hope he's with us for a while.  But his finishing is abysmal.

Bit of a problem for top level strikers, that.

Calling his finishing abysmal is way over the top. He’s scored 21 in 55 appearances for us which works out at 1 every 2.6 games.
I probably should have phrased it 'his finishing can be abysmal'

It just seems to me that he's missing very good chances most games.  Maybe I've become a bit over sensitized to it, but I've found hima very frustrating watch this season.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1519 on: January 24, 2022, 03:50:30 PM »
Ollie’s finishing is superior to this striker..,,

https://twitter.com/brooksytv/status/1485345253250924544?s=12

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1520 on: January 24, 2022, 04:09:01 PM »
I think with the players we have around him now, and a good run as the central striker that Ollie will notch a good few goals between now and the end of the season, and could still match last season's tally.  I also think that if everything beds in the way we want the he could get to the mythical 20 league goals next season.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1521 on: January 24, 2022, 07:44:25 PM »
I wouldn't write off Watkins, I like him and hope he's with us for a while.  But his finishing is abysmal.

Bit of a problem for top level strikers, that.

Calling his finishing abysmal is way over the top. He’s scored 21 in 55 appearances for us which works out at 1 every 2.6 games.
I probably should have phrased it 'his finishing can be abysmal'

It just seems to me that he's missing very good chances most games.  Maybe I've become a bit over sensitized to it, but I've found hima very frustrating watch this season.

At least he is getting the chances. Ings doesn't really. When they play together neither of them do.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1522 on: January 24, 2022, 08:10:44 PM »
Watkins on form is lively. Otherwise, he's a bit streaky, has a few patches without a goal.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1523 on: January 24, 2022, 08:24:10 PM »
I wouldn’t write him off. Still a fine player, going through a bit of rough patch.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1524 on: January 24, 2022, 08:34:16 PM »
Hopefully his form will come back. He’s a very likeable lad, works extremely hard and on form the perfect centre forward for how we play. Also being a Devonshire bauy I have to root for him.
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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1525 on: January 24, 2022, 09:20:01 PM »
His finishing isn’t abysmal, that’s nonsense. He’s not a natural finisher, but when he’s on form and confident his finishing is good enough in combination with the rest of his game.

A bit like Buendia, you don’t need to write a player off when they’re going through a bad run. Watkins is a fine player and will find his form.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1526 on: January 25, 2022, 08:55:39 AM »
We've the 9th highest goals scored tally in the division, and two of the teams ahead of us have a worse defensive record. Watkins is part of that. He causes defences all sorts of issues, and is just having a dry patch, not helped by a number of his appearances being wide and many others in what most people deemed to be a shit team earlier in the season.

Last year he was being raved about as the best thing since sliced bread. Give the guy a fucking break.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1527 on: January 25, 2022, 11:16:10 AM »
We've the 9th highest goals scored tally in the division, and two of the teams ahead of us have a worse defensive record. Watkins is part of that. He causes defences all sorts of issues, and is just having a dry patch, not helped by a number of his appearances being wide and many others in what most people deemed to be a shit team earlier in the season.

Last year he was being raved about as the best thing since sliced bread. Give the guy a fucking break.

*applauds*

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1528 on: January 25, 2022, 01:01:35 PM »
It’s also only his second full season in the top division. He was excellent last seeking but it’s entirely possible he’s been well scouted and is being found out a bit. But he’s a great attitude to learn and work with a manager who supports him, with top players around him including Ings to get through this period and become an even better player. He knows as well as anyone he’s there to score goals and it’s a business. If he doesn’t perform he will be replaced so it’s up to him to keep his place.

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Re: Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa & England)
« Reply #1529 on: January 25, 2022, 01:49:36 PM »
Watkins has scored the same number of League goals as Lukaku, Greenwood and Kane  so far this season.

So what?

Lukaka has only started 11 games. Kane was sulking about not being sold and hardly broke a sweat for the first half a dozen games at least. Other players not doing as well as expected doesn't really say anything about Watkins does it?
It does. You said  "for a £30M striker"  whereas other two are £100M strikers. Lukaku's 4 in 11 (that he has started in ) is similar to Watkins ratio.

 


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