Watching Villa this season is like watching the U12's v U15's.We compete, but ultimately the bigger boys just move up a gear and we lose.
Quote from: Allan C on July 10, 2020, 09:19:25 AMQuote from: The Edge on July 10, 2020, 08:42:20 AMI have hated var since I saw the first offside given for a toenail offside. They say it follows the letter of the law. Well breaking news- it doesn't. The letter of the law says "if a player is deemed to be in an offside position WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED" If your going on such miniscule margins to call an offside then you have to be certain of the PRECISE moment the ball leaves the passing players foot. It's the elephant in the room which proves VAR is fundamentally flawed. Then you give all the power to the referee's pals to make a judgement call and guess what? They just use it to back their pals up to the hilt. With all the money involved in top flight football I'm surprised that no club has made a legal challenge over it. I'm beginning to despise top flight football.I hate VAR and always have. The problem is the “off side by a toe nail” is factually always correct and easy to give. Incidents like last night’s penalty come down to one mans opinion, some would give it the majority wouldn’t. It was always going to be this way the minute VAR was brought in.You missed my point there mate.The offside by a toenail is not factually correct. By the letter of the law a player is deemed to be offside when the ball is played. So if you're being so precise in giving offside for tiny margins then by definition you have to be just a precise as to when the ball actually leaves the passing players boot. It's the reason big companies are looking ar developing technology which will define this. Arsene Wenger has been asked by fifa to look into the offside situation to come up with a better way of doing it. Personally I think it's simple. The ref takes a look at a pitch line monitor and he can't decide if it's offside or not without the aid of a protractor or NASA technology then it's not offside. It can be made that simple in my view.
Quote from: The Edge on July 10, 2020, 08:42:20 AMI have hated var since I saw the first offside given for a toenail offside. They say it follows the letter of the law. Well breaking news- it doesn't. The letter of the law says "if a player is deemed to be in an offside position WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED" If your going on such miniscule margins to call an offside then you have to be certain of the PRECISE moment the ball leaves the passing players foot. It's the elephant in the room which proves VAR is fundamentally flawed. Then you give all the power to the referee's pals to make a judgement call and guess what? They just use it to back their pals up to the hilt. With all the money involved in top flight football I'm surprised that no club has made a legal challenge over it. I'm beginning to despise top flight football.I hate VAR and always have. The problem is the “off side by a toe nail” is factually always correct and easy to give. Incidents like last night’s penalty come down to one mans opinion, some would give it the majority wouldn’t. It was always going to be this way the minute VAR was brought in.
I have hated var since I saw the first offside given for a toenail offside. They say it follows the letter of the law. Well breaking news- it doesn't. The letter of the law says "if a player is deemed to be in an offside position WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED" If your going on such miniscule margins to call an offside then you have to be certain of the PRECISE moment the ball leaves the passing players foot. It's the elephant in the room which proves VAR is fundamentally flawed. Then you give all the power to the referee's pals to make a judgement call and guess what? They just use it to back their pals up to the hilt. With all the money involved in top flight football I'm surprised that no club has made a legal challenge over it. I'm beginning to despise top flight football.
What I liked about Dean Smith originally was that against sides like us or Leeds he wouldn't care for reputation and send his Brentford side out to dominate the possession stats and play to win. Didn't always work be he always set up that way. I naively thought that's exactly what he would build with us. I was completely wrong.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2020, 03:22:17 PMWhat I liked about Dean Smith originally was that against sides like us or Leeds he wouldn't care for reputation and send his Brentford side out to dominate the possession stats and play to win. Didn't always work be he always set up that way. I naively thought that's exactly what he would build with us. I was completely wrong. The thing is TV it wasn’t ‘his’ Brentford team.It was the team that play in the Brentford way and still do.
Quote from: cdward on July 10, 2020, 03:25:35 PMWatching Villa this season is like watching the U12's v U15's.We compete, but ultimately the bigger boys just move up a gear and we lose.This should be read in a Swiss Toni voice
Quote from: The Edge on July 10, 2020, 07:37:28 AMQuote from: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2020, 12:13:34 AMI've only seen 2 people think it was a penalty, and it was the 2 c***s that gave it. I haven't even seen a sha or manure fan reckon it was a penalty.There's 3 people actually. Solskjaer in true one eyed Fergie fashion said on motd "I thought it was a pen" Absolute wanker.Heard an interview with him this morning , I might be paraphrasing a bit but he attempted to justify the penalty by saying "Bruno's done what we call his Maradona, a little spin, the boy's put his leg out, and Bruno has to land somewhere and he's landed on his leg and it was a penalty". So there you go, all cleared up
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2020, 12:13:34 AMI've only seen 2 people think it was a penalty, and it was the 2 c***s that gave it. I haven't even seen a sha or manure fan reckon it was a penalty.There's 3 people actually. Solskjaer in true one eyed Fergie fashion said on motd "I thought it was a pen" Absolute wanker.
I've only seen 2 people think it was a penalty, and it was the 2 c***s that gave it. I haven't even seen a sha or manure fan reckon it was a penalty.
It seems like Serie A have got VAR about right. The people reviewing tell the referee that they have doubts about his original decision and ask him to review it again on the pitch side monitor. The referee makes the final decision and more often than not, reverses his original decision. They take VAR As a positive thing and are not concerned that they got the original decision wrong. That’s what it’s there for!!
Maybe we can take him back under trade descriptions act of 1968
Apologies chaps if this has been done before (and apologies for the formatting)After our habitual defeat to Man U last night I thought I would really depress myself and analysis our results against the teams that usually finish in the top six - I refuse to use Sky’s favourite phraseWe all know who they are but for the avoidance of doubt - Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U and Man CI didn’t realise just how depressing the exercise would turn out to be P W D L F A Pts % 2010/11 12 3 3 6 14 24 12 332011/12 12 1 1 10 9 26 4 112012/13 12 1 1 10 8 33 4 112013/14 12 3 1 8 12 26 10 282014/15 12 2 1 9 8 26 7 192015/16 12 0 1 11 3 32 1 32020/21 11 0 1 10 11 31 1 3 Totals 83 10 9 64 65 198 39 16
Yes, calling Mings a coward is very harsh.
Quote from: andyh on July 10, 2020, 04:17:46 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2020, 03:22:17 PMWhat I liked about Dean Smith originally was that against sides like us or Leeds he wouldn't care for reputation and send his Brentford side out to dominate the possession stats and play to win. Didn't always work be he always set up that way. I naively thought that's exactly what he would build with us. I was completely wrong. The thing is TV it wasn’t ‘his’ Brentford team.It was the team that play in the Brentford way and still do.No I get it as proven by Frank, but that's what we thought we were getting.