Aston Villa v Manchester United Post Match Thread

[Risso]

It was a very sorry attempt at stopping the second goal last night.  Turning his back while cupping his slenders isn't exactly exhibiting much in the way of desire and bravery.

[sirlordbaltimore]

Last night confirmed to me we're an absolute shambles of a side.

A side (i wont use the word team to describe us) without a backbone or any sort of leadership. We've made a complete pigs ear of this season and the opportunity to retain the hard earned return to the PL

Now we've got to go through it all again and God knows how long that will take. The only saving grace being i really enjoyed the Championship the first time around, whether that'll last for another period down there is another thing entirely of course.

Time to call out the bigger name players for offering the square root of fuck all when it's been needed. Jack, Reina, Mings being the prime three. McGinn can be excused purely for the reason he's come back from injury into an absolute shit show with zero time to rebuild his match fitness.

Up until that penalty decision last night i actually thought we were playing quite well, we offered no attacking threat of course but we were well in the game. But that decision killed us. I'm not blaming VAR, although it was wrong i'm blaming the weak surrender of the players (most of them at least) when something goes against them. Absolute classic bottle jobs.

To think someone like Yorke, after ten years of service got treated like a ****** after his Everton 'performance', how are we going to treat the likes of Jack and Mings if we come up against them again? They've been absolutely shit since the restart. Mings hasn't really looked decent since his England call up even. But it's Jack's complete fall from grace that's got me in the gut. He's supposed to be one of us. And i expected him to show some fight if nothing else. How wrong that assumption was.

Luiz for captain next season please.

[OzVilla]

It isn’t and everything about that goal stank to high heaven but I don’t see that as a reflection of his character, more that his defending over a 20 second period was woeful.

[Villan82]

There isn't a hope of Luiz being here next season.

We will watch him go on and achieve elsewhere.

[Sexual Ealing]

There isn't a hope of Luiz being here next season.

We will watch him go on and achieve elsewhere.

Yep.

[Clive W]

Apologies chaps if this has been done before (and apologies for the formatting)

After our habitual defeat to Man U last night I thought I would really depress myself and analysis our results against the teams that usually finish in the top six - I refuse to use Sky’s favourite phrase

We all know who they are but for the avoidance of doubt - Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U and Man C

I didn’t realise just how depressing the exercise would turn out to be

            P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts   %
                        
2010/11   12   3   3   6   14   24   12   33
2011/12   12   1   1   10   9   26   4   11
2012/13   12   1   1   10   8   33   4   11
2013/14   12   3   1   8   12   26   10   28
2014/15   12   2   1   9   8   26   7   19
2015/16   12   0   1   11   3   32   1   3
2020/21   11   0   1   10   11   31   1   3
                        
Totals   83   10   9   64   65   198   39   16

[pauliewalnuts]

Last night illustrated just how fragile our confidence is, which is inevitable for a team in our position. Until the ridiculous penalty award we were the better side but it was like a switch had transferred that self belief from us to them and from that point the result the inevitable.

The penalty was a joke, however what you've described there could be said about half of our games this season.

Start strongly, better side, concede goal, give up.

The difference is that last night it came from a dodgy penalty, but the flow of events is largely the same. Depressingly so.

[pauliewalnuts]

It was a very sorry attempt at stopping the second goal last night.  Turning his back while cupping his slenders isn't exactly exhibiting much in the way of desire and bravery.

And then ten minutes later he's picked up screaming at the rest of the players to 'show something'.

Start off with a close look at yourself, Tyrone.

[Drummond]

I've decided I don't want football on my birthday after all. At least it was the night before.

Happy Birthday

Cheers!

Probably just 'Birthday' would be more accurate! 😁

[Jon Crofts]

It was a very sorry attempt at stopping the second goal last night.  Turning his back while cupping his slenders isn't exactly exhibiting much in the way of desire and bravery.

And then ten minutes later he's picked up screaming at the rest of the players to 'show something'.

Start off with a close look at yourself, Tyrone.

There was a clip of Mings and Grealish trudging off the pitch last night, I think they may have holidayed together for the last time.

[itmustbe_it is!]

I've only seen 2 people think it was a penalty, and it was the 2 c***s that gave it. I haven't even seen a sha or manure fan reckon it was a penalty.

There's 3 people actually. Solskjaer in true one eyed Fergie fashion said on motd "I thought it was a pen" Absolute wanker.

Heard an interview with him this morning , I might be paraphrasing a bit but he attempted to justify the penalty by saying "Bruno's done what we call his Maradona, a little spin, the boy's put his leg out, and Bruno has to land somewhere and he's landed on his leg and  it was a penalty".

So there you go, all cleared up

[eamonn]

I don't get the "gutless" talk. We were one down to the most in-form team on the continent who can destroy you on the break. We could have shown more bravery but we didn't want to ship another five goals.

The first goal was key, we looked like we would get it more than them but they got a lucky break and it was going to be a tall order after that. The timing of the second goal was another kick in the nuts.

But I don't doubt the players tried to get back into it second half, just that we didn't have the quality.

[Clampy]

I don't think for a minute none of them are trying. To me it looks like a massive loss in confidence and lack of quality, especially in the final third.

[john e]

Apologies chaps if this has been done before (and apologies for the formatting)

After our habitual defeat to Man U last night I thought I would really depress myself and analysis our results against the teams that usually finish in the top six - I refuse to use Sky’s favourite phrase

We all know who they are but for the avoidance of doubt - Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U and Man C

I didn’t realise just how depressing the exercise would turn out to be

            P   W   D   L   F   A   Pts   %
                        
2010/11   12   3   3   6   14   24   12   33
2011/12   12   1   1   10   9   26   4   11
2012/13   12   1   1   10   8   33   4   11
2013/14   12   3   1   8   12   26   10   28
2014/15   12   2   1   9   8   26   7   19
2015/16   12   0   1   11   3   32   1   3
2020/21   11   0   1   10   11   31   1   3
                        
Totals   83   10   9   64   65   198   39   16

Well I was wrong I predicted 0 points at the start of the season and we got 1

it's one of Smiths biggest weaknesses as a top flight manager he doesn't know how to motivate or have any idea how to counteract playing against 'those' teams (that normally finish in the top 6)

[Toronto Villa]

What I liked about Dean Smith originally was that against sides like us or Leeds he wouldn't care for reputation and send his Brentford side out to dominate the possession stats and play to win. Didn't always work be he always set up that way. I naively thought that's exactly what he would build with us. I was completely wrong.