Quote from: brian green on July 08, 2020, 09:06:03 PMInjury apart the numbers say Wesley would have scored 9 or 10 goals in a season. I think that is a very poor return on a £22.5 million investment. £2.25 million a goal. Hogan (bought off Dean Smith) cost us £10 million. £1.43 million a goal. Samatta £10 million, £10 million a goal. Davis £400k £200k a goal.Rule of thumb fag packet numbers I know but the point I want to make is about getting, or not getting, what you pay for.The problem is that £22.5m doesn't buy much these days. When you consider market value of players, Wesley currently sits 38th on the list of Premier League Strikers on Transfermarkt. Whilst that isn't scientific or proven it does highlight where we and he currently sit in the pecking order.If we want a striker that scores lots of goals, we'll need to pay a lot of money and last summer we couldn't afford to.
Injury apart the numbers say Wesley would have scored 9 or 10 goals in a season. I think that is a very poor return on a £22.5 million investment. £2.25 million a goal. Hogan (bought off Dean Smith) cost us £10 million. £1.43 million a goal. Samatta £10 million, £10 million a goal. Davis £400k £200k a goal.Rule of thumb fag packet numbers I know but the point I want to make is about getting, or not getting, what you pay for.
Quote from: Drummond on July 09, 2020, 04:36:32 PMQuote from: Risso on July 09, 2020, 04:19:39 PMBefore Wesley got injured we were 3rd from bottom and had amassed 0.9 points per game. Now we're 3rd from bottom, and are on 0.82 points a game. I don't think there's a huge difference to be honest. Wesley doesn't look very well suited to the English game. He isn't quick, he's awful in the air, and he went lots of games without any efforts on goal at all. Very similar faults to Davis and Samatta, with the difference that he cost £22m.Is that a cumulative PPG over the season, or is the .82 just in the games since he's been out?God, I love misberalim.
Quote from: Risso on July 09, 2020, 04:19:39 PMBefore Wesley got injured we were 3rd from bottom and had amassed 0.9 points per game. Now we're 3rd from bottom, and are on 0.82 points a game. I don't think there's a huge difference to be honest. Wesley doesn't look very well suited to the English game. He isn't quick, he's awful in the air, and he went lots of games without any efforts on goal at all. Very similar faults to Davis and Samatta, with the difference that he cost £22m.Is that a cumulative PPG over the season, or is the .82 just in the games since he's been out?
Before Wesley got injured we were 3rd from bottom and had amassed 0.9 points per game. Now we're 3rd from bottom, and are on 0.82 points a game. I don't think there's a huge difference to be honest. Wesley doesn't look very well suited to the English game. He isn't quick, he's awful in the air, and he went lots of games without any efforts on goal at all. Very similar faults to Davis and Samatta, with the difference that he cost £22m.
Would assume that Mings, McGinn and Grealish will be off, if and when we go down.Others like Heaton, Douglas (not sure regarding his loan contract) and El Ghazi may go too.Is James Chester still available? Would have him back. Think Jota will be useful in the Championship. Players like Lansbury, Hogan and Bree can go
Quote from: Mister E on July 08, 2020, 07:20:13 PMQuote from: eddiemunster on July 08, 2020, 04:25:00 PMThe following are to be retained for next season;GoalkeepersHeaton, Nyland, Kalinic, Steer,Onodi, Sinisolo, Marschall.DefendersBree, Elmohamady, Engels, Hause, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Taylor,Appiah, Bridge, Revan.D, Rowe, Walker, Burton, Haden, Revan.S, Sohna.M, Zito.MidfieldersEl Ghazi, Grealish, Trezeguet, Hourihane, Lansbury, McGinn, Nakamba, Jota, Luiz,Brunt, Clarke, Ramsey.J, Vassilev, Farr, Lindley, Raiky, Ramsey.A, Sohna.H, Sylla.ForwardsDavis, Hogan, Wesley, Samatta,Campton-Sturridge, Guy, Tait, Wright, Abldeen-Goodridge, Archer, Barry, Philogene-Bidace, Young.1st teamers in bold.If by any chance we keep all of them, who do we need to get in??Vassilev listed as a MF?Where's the MF Carney Chukwuemeka who was attracting interest from other clubs?Has Sarcic been moved on? Ditto Suliman?The players listed above are from the retained players list. You can see it and download it from the premier league web page.Vassilev a MF from Villa Squad lists on official club website. The players you named will have all gone by the end of the season if they haven't already.
Quote from: eddiemunster on July 08, 2020, 04:25:00 PMThe following are to be retained for next season;GoalkeepersHeaton, Nyland, Kalinic, Steer,Onodi, Sinisolo, Marschall.DefendersBree, Elmohamady, Engels, Hause, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Taylor,Appiah, Bridge, Revan.D, Rowe, Walker, Burton, Haden, Revan.S, Sohna.M, Zito.MidfieldersEl Ghazi, Grealish, Trezeguet, Hourihane, Lansbury, McGinn, Nakamba, Jota, Luiz,Brunt, Clarke, Ramsey.J, Vassilev, Farr, Lindley, Raiky, Ramsey.A, Sohna.H, Sylla.ForwardsDavis, Hogan, Wesley, Samatta,Campton-Sturridge, Guy, Tait, Wright, Abldeen-Goodridge, Archer, Barry, Philogene-Bidace, Young.1st teamers in bold.If by any chance we keep all of them, who do we need to get in??Vassilev listed as a MF?Where's the MF Carney Chukwuemeka who was attracting interest from other clubs?Has Sarcic been moved on? Ditto Suliman?
The following are to be retained for next season;GoalkeepersHeaton, Nyland, Kalinic, Steer,Onodi, Sinisolo, Marschall.DefendersBree, Elmohamady, Engels, Hause, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Taylor,Appiah, Bridge, Revan.D, Rowe, Walker, Burton, Haden, Revan.S, Sohna.M, Zito.MidfieldersEl Ghazi, Grealish, Trezeguet, Hourihane, Lansbury, McGinn, Nakamba, Jota, Luiz,Brunt, Clarke, Ramsey.J, Vassilev, Farr, Lindley, Raiky, Ramsey.A, Sohna.H, Sylla.ForwardsDavis, Hogan, Wesley, Samatta,Campton-Sturridge, Guy, Tait, Wright, Abldeen-Goodridge, Archer, Barry, Philogene-Bidace, Young.1st teamers in bold.If by any chance we keep all of them, who do we need to get in??