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Author Topic: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread  (Read 486021 times)

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8040 on: September 25, 2020, 10:16:42 AM »
I thought he was the one negative of last night.  He didn't play well at all.
Agreed.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8041 on: September 25, 2020, 10:29:30 AM »
Obligatory discussion of the 25 and movements this transfer window …

19/20 season squad;

GK; (Heaton inj), Steer, Nyland, Kalinic

CB; Engels, Konsa, Mings, Hause

RB: Elmo, Guilbert

LB; Taylor, Targett

DM; Luiz, Nakamba

CM; Hourihane, McGinn

AM; Grealish, Jota, Lansbury

Wingers; Trez, El Ghazi,

Strikers; (Wesley inj), Samatta, Davis, Vassilev U21, Hogan


Keepers; 4  Defenders; 8  Midfielders; 7  Wingers; 2 (both Right-sided)  Forwards; 5

Total; 26 (25 need to be declared)



Additions this window;    Reductions this window;
Cash RB/RWB £16m            Hogan £4m?
Watkins CF/W £28m         Vassilev – year-long loan
Martinez GK £17m            Samatta – year-long loan then £7m sale
Traore LW £19m

now 27 (27 need to be declared) in squad, 2 still injured.

Additional moves this window?

Still think Rashica would be okay as a purchase because he can operate on the left but would far prefer Rhiann Brewster from Liverpool as a different striking option. Don’t want Barkley at all as we can give Jacob Ramsay time but would be fine with Hudson-Odoi instead of Rashica then Brewster to replace Samatta. Either way we’re talking about a net +1 on the numbers as JJ does not need to be declared.

The money spent here would be a net increase of around £20m (or £39m if Rashica bought not Hudson-Odoi on loan) taking our net spend to around £90m (around £109m if Rashica purchased).

Sale or loan out options to get to 25;  would need 4 from the list below and about £9m revenue (if Rashica).

Kalinic £3m, Nyland £4m, Engels £7m, Guilbert £8/9m? Jota £2m, Lansbury.

Those first 2 must be the priority as we now have plenty of cover.  Which leaves the next 4 as sale or loan-out options. It was rumoured that Jota was wanted in Spain, if that’s true it helps. But that realistically leaves either Engels or Fred being sold or loaned to get to the 25 maximum squad to be declared.

Leaving us with; Keepers; 3  Defenders; 8  Midfielders; 6  Wingers; 4  Forwards; 4

Total; 25 (and Ramsay to be used not needing to be declared as U21)


Attack/wingers; Completely revamped and now no problem with rushing Wes back before Christmas; we have Watkins backed-up by Davis, with Traore and either Rashica or Hudson-Odoi on either side with Brewster as a second striking option (direct replacement for some games or 2 striker formation, for example). Fantastic. Plus it frees Jack up to go wherever needed most as well as Trez and El Ghazi as options and cover. This is what we wanted at the start of the window; to achieve it after swapping Recruitment Director half-way through is astounding work.

Defense; I hope we keep Guilbert and work out whatever beef is between him and Dean; I like him as a player and he can play in the centre IF Engels goes. Happy to move Engels on provided we cover him.

Midfield; Equally happy to move Jota on if they have a buyer as Jacob Ramsey will need more game time to develop and can confidently be on our bench when needed.

Keepers; Should have enough cover until Heaton comes back and don’t need to buy in the next year with Martinez/Heaton and Steer as backup.

Summary;

Money spent; NET only £69m so far but likely around £90m net of final sales and loans (initial cost is used here as the additions are only triggered over the succeeding years depending on certain conditions).

Attack strengthened significantly and invested in for the future.
GK position sorted for the next 5 years.
Manager backed on defensive call and investment on the right side.
Not strengthened in midfield apart from keeping Jack and Meatball and Luiz for another year but now have space for Ramsay to come through.
Need options at Left back, might need Centre back replacement for Engels departure in the next window unless someone from the U23 comes through. Need to settle Guilbert or replace him.

8 out of 10 going to 9 out of 10 if we get Brewster.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8042 on: September 25, 2020, 10:39:19 AM »
Only 2 strikers now with Samatta sold. Surely we won't make the same mistake as last year with the forwards? Only Wesley signed  and look what happened on New Years Day. Why do we sell a player before bringing a replacement in? Brentford made sure Toney was signed before selling Watkins to Villa.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8043 on: September 25, 2020, 11:08:24 AM »
Assuming Tammy has always been our number one target I can see us getting a striker in on loan for this season to provide the necessary cover until we can buy Tammy next summer when he’ll inevitably become available after a season sitting on Chelsea’s bench.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8044 on: September 25, 2020, 11:11:31 AM »
This is where Lange needs to earn his money now. We ideally need a backup striker that's a bit different to KD and OW, and a back up winger that can push Jack and Traore. And a number 8 that will push Hourihane. And a left back. And a centre back. Any more??

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8045 on: September 25, 2020, 11:25:22 AM »
I hope we get another striker in before the window shuts.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8046 on: September 25, 2020, 11:46:00 AM »
Engels is currently injured. I don’t know for how long that has been the case, but it is perhaps too early to rule him out as a second choice CB. He had some good games last season, but he also made some ricks, and he certainly started to look less of a long term solution than Konsa. I can believe the reports that he is available if a suitable offer comes in, but perhaps only in the sense that it would make funds available for us to strengthen either at CB or another position.

Agree with that.  One of the strangest seasons I can remember a Villa player having for some time.  Looked solid and a really good signing right up until that ball went over his head against Southampton and the wheels came off massively.  Then came back in for the League Cup final and had a solid enough game and then hardly seen again.

Agree that if things are all OK with him behind the scenes then him and Konsa are decent enough options for the time being, but if they are not and he isn't going to feature then we do need reinforcement in that area.
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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8047 on: September 25, 2020, 11:51:37 AM »
This is where Lange needs to earn his money now. We ideally need a backup striker that's a bit different to KD and OW, and a back up winger that can push Jack and Traore. And a number 8 that will push Hourihane. And a left back. And a centre back. Any more??
Lange could earn more money be selling some of the useless players :)

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8048 on: September 25, 2020, 11:52:47 AM »
Last summer we signed too many players at once because we had no choice. This summer we've been much more sensible and only got 4 in but have people wanting 4-5 more which will mean once again too many new players and another season of transition.

A centre mid and attacking player is all we need from here. Attacking player is covered by Rashica/Sarr, they're not centre forwards but Watkins and Davis with Traore as a fall back is fine until Christmas when Wesley is back where we need better cover is that the only alternative to Grealish can't be AEG.

In midfield Luiz and McGinn are good options, Hourihane and Nakamba are decent squad cover and Ramsey is a good prospect but that's not enough depth. If we get a decent winger then Jack can play there sometimes but he's still not filling the big gap which is the lack of physicality in there. Loftus-Cheek (to buy or loan with a fixed fee to make it perm) would fit perfectly.

Another striker coming in would be, in my opinion, a sign that they're writing off Wesley but would also put Davis in position of needing to go out on loan for game time and put us back to the same depth we have, so I don't see the point.

Left back can wait until next summer and centre back cover is fine unless Engels is sold which I think would be a mistake.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8049 on: September 25, 2020, 12:00:10 PM »
a forward to replace Samatta is essential as is a CB and CM. Loans for some perfectly acceptable.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8050 on: September 25, 2020, 12:07:46 PM »
They have David Moyes as manager. The most grim, grey, never won anything boring as fuck manager from a period long gone you can ever imagine. And they brought him back after firing him. The porn twats deserve all of the failure coming their way.

Succinct. Accurate. The last sentence however, deserves some additional points I think.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8051 on: September 25, 2020, 12:10:45 PM »
I could understand the appeal of a short term loan up front whilst we wait for Wesley but who are we going to get that's worth bringing in and doesn't mind fighting with Davis for a place on the bench? Watkins will start most games for the next 3-4 months and Davis has shown enough for me to be happy with him on the bench. If Watkins gets injured then I'd be ok with Davis and Traore alternating and bringing Archer into the squad as cover. If 2-3 of them are injured at the same time then we'd be in trouble but that's the case in every position at every club and you can't just keep bringing players in 'just in case'.


I suspect most of the people who want another striker are the same that think Davis isn't good enough because he doesn't score enough goals though so what they're actually wanting is to replace him, not samatta.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8052 on: September 25, 2020, 12:18:46 PM »
I could understand the appeal of a short term loan up front whilst we wait for Wesley but who are we going to get that's worth bringing in and doesn't mind fighting with Davis for a place on the bench? Watkins will start most games for the next 3-4 months and Davis has shown enough for me to be happy with him on the bench. If Watkins gets injured then I'd be ok with Davis and Traore alternating and bringing Archer into the squad as cover. If 2-3 of them are injured at the same time then we'd be in trouble but that's the case in every position at every club and you can't just keep bringing players in 'just in case'.


I suspect most of the people who want another striker are the same that think Davis isn't good enough because he doesn't score enough goals though so what they're actually wanting is to replace him, not samatta.

With Wesley back we'll be fine. However, until he's back, and that's likely to be New Year I'd think, then we're light up front. If you put Traore up front then the wings are weak again.

Rashica or similar would give us better balance. Maybe Archer needs promoting eh Leeg?

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« Reply #8053 on: September 25, 2020, 12:22:06 PM »
I could understand the appeal of a short term loan up front whilst we wait for Wesley but who are we going to get that's worth bringing in and doesn't mind fighting with Davis for a place on the bench? Watkins will start most games for the next 3-4 months and Davis has shown enough for me to be happy with him on the bench. If Watkins gets injured then I'd be ok with Davis and Traore alternating and bringing Archer into the squad as cover. If 2-3 of them are injured at the same time then we'd be in trouble but that's the case in every position at every club and you can't just keep bringing players in 'just in case'.


I suspect most of the people who want another striker are the same that think Davis isn't good enough because he doesn't score enough goals though so what they're actually wanting is to replace him, not samatta.

With Wesley back we'll be fine. However, until he's back, and that's likely to be New Year I'd think, then we're light up front. If you put Traore up front then the wings are weak again.

Rashica or similar would give us better balance. Maybe Archer needs promoting eh Leeg?

Yeah that's my point, I'd rather we added another winger than another striker because longer term that's a weaker area.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #8054 on: September 25, 2020, 12:32:56 PM »
What about someone who could play up front or wide? We've been linked with Brewster - could he do that?

 


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