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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7575 on: September 21, 2020, 10:16:40 PM »
Samatta and Freddy are on their bike.  Dean being coy about selection and doing well in training.  They are off to pastures new.

I really don't get the lack of faith in Guilbert, does anyone? Smith surely gave the Samatta signing the ok last January and has given up on him already. Seems a bit strange, dreadful though he was after lockdown. Might be a useful sub to bring on if chasing a goal.

I agree about Freddy. I think he's a decent defender.  Samatta, not so much.  Poor player at the level imo and I hope we might be looking at a swap deal of some sort.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7576 on: September 21, 2020, 10:46:55 PM »
Samatta and Freddy are on their bike.  Dean being coy about selection and doing well in training.  They are off to pastures new.

I really don't get the lack of faith in Guilbert, does anyone? Smith surely gave the Samatta signing the ok last January and has given up on him already. Seems a bit strange, dreadful though he was after lockdown. Might be a useful sub to bring on if chasing a goal.

I agree about Freddy. I think he's a decent defender.  Samatta, not so much.  Poor player at the level imo and I hope we might be looking at a swap deal of some sort.

The 'Baros for Carew' sort, hopefully!

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7577 on: September 21, 2020, 10:52:52 PM »
Samatta and Freddy are on their bike.  Dean being coy about selection and doing well in training.  They are off to pastures new.

I really don't get the lack of faith in Guilbert, does anyone? Smith surely gave the Samatta signing the ok last January and has given up on him already. Seems a bit strange, dreadful though he was after lockdown. Might be a useful sub to bring on if chasing a goal.

I'd give Freddy another go but think the issue here is he's a squad player we can actually get some money back for. Wasn't there talk last week of Nantes bidding 5m? We wouldn't get 5m for Taylor, Lansbury and Jota combined.

If we're spending another 40m this summer we need to balance the books a little bit. Spending 100m every summer and hardly selling any squad player on inflated wages was unsustainable in the Lerner era and will be case here aswell.

We have Cash, AEM and in emergency Konsa could shift over there if we get in another CB so it's a well stocked position now.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7578 on: September 21, 2020, 11:15:59 PM »
Samatta and Freddy are on their bike.  Dean being coy about selection and doing well in training.  They are off to pastures new.

I really don't get the lack of faith in Guilbert, does anyone? Smith surely gave the Samatta signing the ok last January and has given up on him already. Seems a bit strange, dreadful though he was after lockdown. Might be a useful sub to bring on if chasing a goal.

I'd give Freddy another go but think the issue here is he's a squad player we can actually get some money back for. Wasn't there talk last week of Nantes bidding 5m? We wouldn't get 5m for Taylor, Lansbury and Jota combined.

If we're spending another 40m this summer we need to balance the books a little bit. Spending 100m every summer and hardly selling any squad player on inflated wages was unsustainable in the Lerner era and will be case here aswell.

We have Cash, AEM and in emergency Konsa could shift over there if we get in another CB so it's a well stocked position now.
Not sure what he's done wrong, as he has quite the fan base amongst Villa fans.... For the sake of 5 million, I'd keep Freddie and play him as our first choice LB. Head and shoulders above the two players we have jostling for that position.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7579 on: September 21, 2020, 11:16:45 PM »
I was just thinking about this, and the last couple of transfer windows, in the context of the work that the new regime has had to do to get the playing squad into shape. My understanding is that the players on the books when they took over in summer 2018 were:

Goalkeepers: Steer, Bunn, Sarkic
Defenders: Chester, Elphick, Revan, Taylor, Elmohamady, De Laet, Bree, Hutton, Richards
Midfielders: Jedinak, Whelan, Hourihane, Gardner, Tshibola, Lansbury, Bjarnason, Doyle-Hayes, O’Hare, Ramsey, Grealish, Green, Adomah
Forwards: McCormack, Kodjia, Hogan, Davis, Hepburn-Murphy, McKirdy

I’ve struck through the players whose contracts were due to expire at the end of that season (summer 2019), which really exposes the paucity of assets at the football club. Other than a few exceptions, it is a very poor group, with several players offering pretty much nothing (Richards, Gardner, Tshibola, McCormack, Hogan). It’s no surprise that we didn’t at any point tear up the division, and only made it up by the skin of our teeth.

The work since then hasn’t been perfect, but has been ambitious and has ultimately got the job done. The loan signings that were brought in initially (Abraham, El Ghazi, Mings, Hause) were really important, and didn’t commit us to contracts that we might not have been able to afford long term. The sheer number of signings that were required following promotion last summer just to fill-out the squad was a feat in itself.

Mistakes have been made, and we’ve had some bad luck with injuries that has forced us into the market in less than ideal circumstances.
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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7580 on: September 21, 2020, 11:32:45 PM »
Goalkeepers: Steer, Bunn, Sarkic
Defenders: Chester, Elphick, Revan, Taylor, Elmohamady, De Laet, Bree, Hutton, Richards
Midfielders: Jedinak, Whelan, Hourihane, Gardner, Tshibola, Lansbury, Bjarnason, Doyle-Hayes, O’Hare, Ramsey, Grealish, Green, Adomah
Forwards: McCormack, Kodjia, Hogan, Davis, Hepburn-Murphy, McKirdy

That is a truly horrific squad.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7581 on: September 22, 2020, 12:07:45 AM »
Amazing that we got promoted with that squad. Shows what Smith meant by his comments about how last year was all about quantity and how this year it's been about quality.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7582 on: September 22, 2020, 12:36:27 AM »
Seeing it in black and white shows just how much work we've done in the transfer market already. Of the eleven who started the playoff final, four were in our starting line up tonight and four have dropped to the bench.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7583 on: September 22, 2020, 05:47:46 AM »
Seeing it in black and white shows just how much work we've done in the transfer market already. Of the eleven who started the playoff final, four were in our starting line up tonight and four have dropped to the bench.
Even so, the sight of Hause warming up when Konsa tweaked his hamstring caused a shudder.

Big shout to Martinez, not just for the penalty save but also for calmly dealing with a couple of  typical panicky  Villa back-passes.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7584 on: September 22, 2020, 06:04:34 AM »
Samatta and Freddy are on their bike.  Dean being coy about selection and doing well in training.  They are off to pastures new.

I really don't get the lack of faith in Guilbert, does anyone? Smith surely gave the Samatta signing the ok last January and has given up on him already. Seems a bit strange, dreadful though he was after lockdown. Might be a useful sub to bring on if chasing a goal.

I'd give Freddy another go but think the issue here is he's a squad player we can actually get some money back for. Wasn't there talk last week of Nantes bidding 5m? We wouldn't get 5m for Taylor, Lansbury and Jota combined.

If we're spending another 40m this summer we need to balance the books a little bit. Spending 100m every summer and hardly selling any squad player on inflated wages was unsustainable in the Lerner era and will be case here aswell.

We have Cash, AEM and in emergency Konsa could shift over there if we get in another CB so it's a well stocked position now.
Not sure what he's done wrong, as he has quite the fan base amongst Villa fans.... For the sake of 5 million, I'd keep Freddie and play him as our first choice LB. Head and shoulders above the two players we have jostling for that position.

Agree. Im not an expert, but I can't see why a good right back can't make a decent left back.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7585 on: September 22, 2020, 06:22:04 AM »
I assume there's a new striker to replace Samatta already lined up? We're still really short of options up front. Last season DS got criticised for only recruiting Wesley up front. I'd like to see Villa go for Rhian Brewster.
 

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7586 on: September 22, 2020, 07:31:57 AM »
We need to replace Engels too; he's clearly out of favour. Might as well sell and replace.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7587 on: September 22, 2020, 08:28:21 AM »
I assume there's a new striker to replace Samatta already lined up? We're still really short of options up front. Last season DS got criticised for only recruiting Wesley up front. I'd like to see Villa go for Rhian Brewster.
 

I like Brewster too. I think we may see a couple of loan to buy type signings that go into next years FFP budgeting before the window closes.

And by god we need better quality out wide, especially at home when moving Jack inside is needed to get a spark going forward.

A CM that can come on and push McGinn a bit would be nice too, he was as poor as I have seen him last night, although in fairness it may take hims a few games fitness wise.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7588 on: September 22, 2020, 09:01:33 AM »
CMF and LB seem to be most required.
With Davis, Watkins, Traore as a front three it means JG can shift back into the middle. Which is good. Problem is: there's no back-up for injuries other than shoving JG wide and / or bringing in Trez or AEG.
So, ideally, we need a new winger-cum-striker as well.

I'm amazed and disappointed that Guilbert appears to be on his way: a young, talented raw material - ripe for development  and advancement (fitting the owners' mould for young and with potential). Clearly, he's fallen out with Smith.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #7589 on: September 22, 2020, 09:17:26 AM »
Get Danny Rose in now please Villa. We need a left back.

 


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