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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1740 on: August 07, 2020, 09:26:59 AM »
I don't recall Gary Lineker doing much in his career apart from scoring goals and usually from close range as opposed to goal of the season contenders. But he scored plenty of goals for a struggling Leicester side for a few years as well as better sides like Everton, Barcelona, Spurs and England.

Yes he did - at Old Trafford..

He never, ever scored a goal from outside the box.  Sad, but true.    I don't think we have a problem getting the ball into the box, especially with Jack playing.  Having someone 'come alive' in the box and cause problems is something. we have lacked all season, although a few of Wesley's goals were tap ins to be fair.  We need someone who troubles defenders with movement in the box.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1741 on: August 07, 2020, 09:42:05 AM »
He never got booked then, give the Lineker one distinction!

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1742 on: August 07, 2020, 09:49:52 AM »
I don’t know why we got rid if Suso when according to you lot we are stacked out with quality players we brought in on his watch

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1743 on: August 07, 2020, 09:51:55 AM »
The other point to consider with Targett is that he has reoccurring hamstring problems. He's always going to miss games, sporadically, over the course of the season. Taylor is nowhere near good enough to deputise regularly as he offer absolutely nothing going forward, whereas Targett's link-up and overlaps of Grealish is a key-part of our attacking play. We really need another LB to come-in and compete / rotate with Targett in my opinion, more-so that we do a new RB. Robinson at Wigan looks good (and cheap) and woudl be a good fit.

In terms of a CB, not sure if it's been mentioned here, but Smith was apparently desperate to sign Chris Mepham before he went to Bournemouth. I know he's been injured a lot this year, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him re-visit that one this summer. £15m should get him and he's got the potential to be a top-class player IMO.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1744 on: August 07, 2020, 10:04:13 AM »
Money spent at left back could be better spent elsewhere.

Now go get some exciting attackers.

Raise your hand if your team had the second worst defence last season?

Now raise your hand if you think by not changing your defence from last season you expect them to suddenly improve?

They have already "suddenly" improved. That's why we don't need to strengthen there. Only seven clubs conceded fewer goals than us since lockdown, despite us playing more games than 4/5 of the league.

Plus, get players that scare the opposition and they won't be able to camp in our half like, for instance, Chelsea and Man City did at Villa Park.

Get some forwards who fucking terrify the opposition and you'll be amazed at how much better our defence gets.

In any case, with one or two exceptions, they've already proven to be pretty good since lockdown. They are, mostly, young and will continue to improve.

Drawing the line at lockdown is a dangerous tactic. For starters it would have to be questioned how seriously a number of mid table clubs and players were taking some of those games. We can't simply ignore all that went before it either. Luiz for sure improved our previously powder puff midfield but there are still a number of problems we have defensively.

Left back is critical as teams continually targetted Matt pre and post lockdown. Even v Chelsea, they tried at every attempt to get Targett isolated one on one. At a minimum he needs strong competition for his place. Not Neil Taylor who was average at best at championship level.

If we were stronger defensively, we could free up the likes of Grealish and McGinn more without the ball. I also think we need to get a flyer in on the right wing to help us on the counter attack as we didn't have that threat last season really.


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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1745 on: August 07, 2020, 10:06:15 AM »
He never got booked then, give the Lineker one distinction!

He got sent off whilst playing for Grampus 8 in the last season of his professional career.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1746 on: August 07, 2020, 10:15:43 AM »
After lockdown we took 10 points from 10 games carry that on and it’s still relegation zone form

the revisionism on here re players is staggering

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1747 on: August 07, 2020, 10:24:15 AM »
After lockdown we took 10 points from 10 games carry that on and it’s still relegation zone form

the revisionism on here re players is staggering
Actually that would have beaten our points total by 3, but I know what you mean.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1748 on: August 07, 2020, 10:26:16 AM »
After lockdown we took 10 points from 10 games carry that on and it’s still relegation zone form

the revisionism on here re players is staggering
Actually that would have beaten our points total by 3, but I know what you mean.

That’s why I said zone

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1749 on: August 07, 2020, 10:27:11 AM »
I don't recall Gary Lineker doing much in his career apart from scoring goals and usually from close range as opposed to goal of the season contenders. But he scored plenty of goals for a struggling Leicester side for a few years as well as better sides like Everton, Barcelona, Spurs and England.

Yes he did - at Old Trafford..

He never, ever scored a goal from outside the box.  Sad, but true.    I don't think we have a problem getting the ball into the box, especially with Jack playing.  Having someone 'come alive' in the box and cause problems is something. we have lacked all season, although a few of Wesley's goals were tap ins to be fair.  We need someone who troubles defenders with movement in the box.

Gary Lineker never scored at Villa Park in his entire career. I prefer that one.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1750 on: August 07, 2020, 10:27:42 AM »
One, ten points from ten games isn't, generally, "relegation zone form". The clue is that we started lockdown in the relegation zone and ended the season out of it. Two, we played a disproportionately tough run of games after the restart. Three, our defenders weren't to blame for us not getting more points. We had the 8th best defence after the restart and our strikers scored ZERO goals.

Genuinely baffled as to how anyone can see our strikers performing with all the skill and grace of Laurel and Hardy carrying a piano through a minefield and think to themselves "grrr... our defenders are making me angry".

Also completely bemused as to how any football fan can't spot the ability Konsa has. He is already very good and is, quite clearly, going to get better and better. Forcing him out because we conceded a few goals due to our inept forward line putting us under pressure would be the stupidest thing we have done since forcing Cahill out to accommodate Zat Knight.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2020, 10:33:01 AM by cdbullyweefan »

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1751 on: August 07, 2020, 10:30:51 AM »
I don’t know why we got rid if Suso when according to you lot we are stacked out with quality players we brought in on his watch
For me, there's a couple of things.

Suso was brought in when we were a Championship club who expected to spend at least another season down there, and were in a tight FFP situation - we probably couldn't massively expand the recruitment side of things, so needed someone who could do several jobs competently rather than several people with specialised jobs. He may well have been the right person for the job then, he isn't now.

Also, I suspect a lot of the players brought in last summer are decent, at least at the price point we were paying (£10m average). However, what I suspect hasn't been understood is that they'd take time to adapt - Wes being a case in point - which we didn't have. As an aside, we were also hampered by injuries to 3 key players which I suspect played a large part in us being in a relegation battle rather than the relative comfort of lower mid table.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1752 on: August 07, 2020, 10:33:38 AM »
I don’t know why we got rid if Suso when according to you lot we are stacked out with quality players we brought in on his watch
For me, there's a couple of things.

Suso was brought in when we were a Championship club who expected to spend at least another season down there, and were in a tight FFP situation - we probably couldn't massively expand the recruitment side of things, so needed someone who could do several jobs competently rather than several people with specialised jobs. He may well have been the right person for the job then, he isn't now.

Also, I suspect a lot of the players brought in last summer are decent, at least at the price point we were paying (£10m average). However, what I suspect hasn't been understood is that they'd take time to adapt - Wes being a case in point - which we didn't have. As an aside, we were also hampered by injuries to 3 key players which I suspect played a large part in us being in a relegation battle rather than the relative comfort of lower mid table.

The ones who didn't appear to understand it were the owners.  Going into the season with Wes as our only senior striker was stupidity beyond belief, whatever the circumstances.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1753 on: August 07, 2020, 10:36:05 AM »
Agreed. Just as it would be stupid to only have one top striker starting next season. Mbwana has proven to be not up to it, Wesley won't be fit and Davis should be loaned out. We need two forwards. Virtually every club in the league has two forwards capable of scoring goals.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1754 on: August 07, 2020, 10:36:53 AM »
Maybe Smith had reassured them/Purslow, that he could get Kodjia firing again if need be and we already know that Davis was/is highly rated by the manager.

 


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