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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1740 on: August 06, 2020, 11:59:34 PM »
Money spent at left back could be better spent elsewhere.

Now go get some exciting attackers.

Raise your hand if your team had the second worst defence last season?

Now raise your hand if you think by not changing your defence from last season you expect them to suddenly improve?

Also raise your hand if by Smith coaching them and not whatever went before resulted in a completely different unit that will have improved with a season in the prem, and better forward options would result in being better on the ball and this concede less chances?

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1741 on: August 07, 2020, 12:04:51 AM »
Money spent at left back could be better spent elsewhere.

Now go get some exciting attackers.

Raise your hand if your team had the second worst defence last season?

Now raise your hand if you think by not changing your defence from last season you expect them to suddenly improve?

They have already "suddenly" improved. That's why we don't need to strengthen there. Only seven clubs conceded fewer goals than us since lockdown, despite us playing more games than 4/5 of the league.

Plus, get players that scare the opposition and they won't be able to camp in our half like, for instance, Chelsea and Man City did at Villa Park.

Get some forwards who fucking terrify the opposition and you'll be amazed at how much better our defence gets.

In any case, with one or two exceptions, they've already proven to be pretty good since lockdown. They are, mostly, young and will continue to improve.
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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1742 on: August 07, 2020, 12:09:57 AM »
Money spent at left back could be better spent elsewhere.

Now go get some exciting attackers.

Raise your hand if your team had the second worst defence last season?

Now raise your hand if you think by not changing your defence from last season you expect them to suddenly improve?

Also raise your hand if by Smith coaching them and not whatever went before resulted in a completely different unit that will have improved with a season in the prem, and better forward options would result in being better on the ball and this concede less chances?

It is not just about buying more defenders though is it?  We don't hold the ball up well enough up front, we have a lack of physical presence in midfield, therefore a real lack of protection for the defence.  These issues are major contributors to the amount of goals we have conceded and also needs to be addressed, just as urgently as bringing in another left back.  The central midfield role has not been addressed at any point since Dean got there, although trying to buy Leroy Fer, Calvin Phillips and Steven Nzonzi had been tried, we really need to get this right this summer.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1743 on: August 07, 2020, 12:10:57 AM »
Money spent at left back could be better spent elsewhere.

Now go get some exciting attackers.

Raise your hand if your team had the second worst defence last season?

Now raise your hand if you think by not changing your defence from last season you expect them to suddenly improve?

Maintain number one goalkeeper and
Defensive unit post lockdown and you have a different scenario- that said I still want an upgrade on Targett ...

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1744 on: August 07, 2020, 12:17:48 AM »
If you don't have pace -as Targett clearly doesn't - your quality on the ball and reading of the game needs to be sufficiently good enough to ensure you don't become a weak link.

Modern full-backs need pace and we could acquire an established played for that role who won't break the bank.  Danny Rose as one obvious example.

Targett has quality, but I'd be more comfortable with him as a squad player - perhaps to come in if the opposition don't have a particularly quick wide player or play defensively at VP.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1745 on: August 07, 2020, 12:20:15 AM »
Targett has pace.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1746 on: August 07, 2020, 12:23:31 AM »
Odd that he regularly looks like he's running through treacle in his time with us then.

Odd too that the opposition have quite blatantly prioritised that side of the pitch to attack on more than one occasion.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1747 on: August 07, 2020, 12:23:45 AM »
Think we needed an experienced head alongside Mings (who letís not forget hasnít had much top flight experience himself) and still believe that.

Konsa has the raw ingredients, but raw is the key word there. Happy to see how he comes on over the next few years. Hause seems a solid option as centre half and left back cover.

Hause is anything but solid

One of the worst players we have in the squad.

If Hause is on the pitch the opposition score goals.

We couldn't keep an away clean sheet for an entire season and finished second to last for conceded goals. Our defence is far from "sorted" as can be.

Also, did our defence really "improve" during the restart? We picked up 10 points from 10 games, but at the start of the season we picked up 11 points from 10 games. (Everton through to Wolves)

We definitely need to sign a more experienced defender.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1748 on: August 07, 2020, 12:24:26 AM »
At this time of year itís amazing how many ITKís are born.

A ray of hope
Flickers in the sky
A tiny star lights up
Way up high
All across the land
Dawns a brand new morn
This comes to pass
When ITK is born...

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1749 on: August 07, 2020, 12:25:03 AM »
Yes, our defence really improved after the break. What a silly question.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1750 on: August 07, 2020, 12:32:30 AM »
Yes, our defence really improved after the break. What a silly question.

How the hell did it improve if we picked up more points over the same amount of games early on in the season?

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1751 on: August 07, 2020, 12:35:48 AM »
Money spent at left back could be better spent elsewhere.

Now go get some exciting attackers.

Raise your hand if your team had the second worst defence last season?

Now raise your hand if you think by not changing your defence from last season you expect them to suddenly improve?

Also raise your hand if by Smith coaching them and not whatever went before resulted in a completely different unit that will have improved with a season in the prem, and better forward options would result in being better on the ball and this concede less chances?

Ultimately we simply can't fix every position in this window. For example we have about five senior keepers and goalkeeper position isn't perfect either but that can wait for a bit.

When you look at how dismal our general transfer record has been since 2010 it would be a minor miracle to have a transfer session where we actually significantly improve two positions.

It's vital we get the core ones right e.g. striker, good wide player, good holding midfielder and another CB would be good aswell. Then you can get away with average players in other areas as many teams who finished above us last season did.

Targett isn't a great defender but he does offer an outlet going forward. Would imagine we'll sign a younger LB to challenge him and try to get Taylor out.

On the other side I'd be o.k going into next season with existing options. Think there's a decent player lurking in Gulibert and AEM rarely lets anyone down when he plays so no problem keeping him in the squad for another 12 months.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1752 on: August 07, 2020, 12:40:12 AM »
We conceded 11 in 10 games, 1.1 gpg. The first 28 games we conceded 56, 2 gpg.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1753 on: August 07, 2020, 12:42:44 AM »
At this time of year itís amazing how many ITKís are born.

A ray of hope
Flickers in the sky
A tiny star lights up
Way up high
All across the land
Dawns a brand new morn
This comes to pass
When ITK is born...

The most important bit

It's all a dream, an illusion now
It must come true, sometime soon somehow (The ITK motto)
All across the land, dawns a brand new morn
This comes to pass when ITK is born

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1754 on: August 07, 2020, 12:45:15 AM »
Yes, our defence really improved after the break. What a silly question.

How the hell did it improve if we picked up more points over the same amount of games early on in the season?

We conceded far fewer goals after the break (eighth best defence) than we had before the break (second worst).

Now, come on. Anyone saying that our defence didn't improve after the resumption is (i) at it, and (ii) being a misery arse for the sake of it.

*checks name of poster. Goldie. Ah, yes. I remember you now. See (ii).
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