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Author Topic: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread  (Read 419557 times)

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1605 on: August 06, 2020, 11:53:40 AM »
The Benrahma thing, are we the only interested party? Is it a real thing, or something that only exists in our H&V collective consciousness?

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1606 on: August 06, 2020, 11:57:03 AM »
I can completely see what paul means. That doesn't mean I think we're bigger than Tammy, I just don't rate him as highly to spend the sort of money we would need to spend to get him. I think people are too confident about him guaranteeing goals. Guaranteeing us goals in the championship and for a prem team like Chelsea is different to a struggling prem team. I do see him as a tap in merchant and it's easier to create multiple tap in chances in the big teams. The type of player like Sterling wouldn't score many if he dropped to us. Maybe we'll buy players on top of that where we'll create those sort of chances regularly, who knows? But at this moment I can see what Paul means.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1607 on: August 06, 2020, 11:57:13 AM »
Chelsea were being linked with him a while ago.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1608 on: August 06, 2020, 12:00:13 PM »
I've never really bought the 'yes he scores but that's all he does' argument, about anyone.  When you look at our current 'strike force' we're certainly not in a position to turn our noses up at anyone with a strike rate similar to Tammy's.  So I'd be happy to see him here but I kind of take paul's point: just because he's played for us before doesn't mean Tammy is necessarily the very best option.  That should be a minor factor; I've never understood what 'he gets the club' means.
Well the key thing is it's not a gamble as we'd know what we're getting and know he would settle in.  You can't guarantee that with any player from outside the PL and even other PL players may not settle in the area, squad etc.  He's as close to a sure thing as you can get.  Whether that is worth paying a £10-20m premium for is the big question (assuming Chelsea would sell him etc etc).  For me, signing a 22 year old player who would hopefully all but guarantee surviving another year would be worth going the extra mile for.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1609 on: August 06, 2020, 12:13:35 PM »
I've never really bought the 'yes he scores but that's all he does' argument, about anyone.  When you look at our current 'strike force' we're certainly not in a position to turn our noses up at anyone with a strike rate similar to Tammy's.  So I'd be happy to see him here but I kind of take paul's point: just because he's played for us before doesn't mean Tammy is necessarily the very best option.  That should be a minor factor; I've never understood what 'he gets the club' means.

It's more best use of the money we have than individually the best option. Signing Tammy for ~£50m means the same left for all the other signings we need and I don't think he'd have enough of an impact on us to be worth lowering the bar elsewhere. I'd be looking at £60-70m of the money we have on a wide player and a midfielder and then see what we can do with rest once they're sorted.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1610 on: August 06, 2020, 12:25:11 PM »
I think we have enough players in our squad to chip in with their fair share of goals but we do need an out and out striker like Tammy Abraham. I also think we have enough creative players like Jack and SJM to supply him with chances.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1611 on: August 06, 2020, 12:25:52 PM »
I can see both arguments. I would love to re-sign Tammy, I remember being particularly impressed when he gave Kodja and Bolasie a right round of fucks for not joining in when he was pressing the opposition defence, great work rate and eye for goal.

On the other hand, if all our midfield and wingers were getting a decent quota of goals, playing with a version of Keinan Davis allows you to get more players up in and around him as he holds it, even if he isnt weighing in with the amount of goals you'd want from a striker. You get them elsewhere.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1612 on: August 06, 2020, 12:27:06 PM »
Saw someone provocatively suggest Gareth Bale somewhere else. Not actually that bad a shout if you ignore the issues of our perceived status, and his wages. We’re pretty much the closest EPL team to Cardiff...

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1613 on: August 06, 2020, 12:38:44 PM »
Saw someone provocatively suggest Gareth Bale somewhere else. Not actually that bad a shout if you ignore the issues of our perceived status, and his wages. We’re pretty much the closest EPL team to Cardiff...
I've got no time for a player who already rich beyond anybody's wildest dreams would rather piss away the final years of their career than take a pay cut to a level that would still be so much they'd struggle to spend it.  I just don't get it.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1614 on: August 06, 2020, 12:38:55 PM »
Tammy's potentially a 15-20 goal striker for the next 10 years. £40m+ might seem a lot now but it might seem a snip in 5 years.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1615 on: August 06, 2020, 12:42:36 PM »
Saw someone provocatively suggest Gareth Bale somewhere else. Not actually that bad a shout if you ignore the issues of our perceived status, and his wages. We’re pretty much the closest EPL team to Cardiff...
I've got no time for a player who already rich beyond anybody's wildest dreams would rather piss away the final years of their career than take a pay cut to a level that would still be so much they'd struggle to spend it.  I just don't get it.

I guess that he's one of those players to whom its just a job, the pay is the most important thing.

A truly magnificent player but I wouldnt touch with a barge pole.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1616 on: August 06, 2020, 12:48:16 PM »
Come on Villa show us we mean business and make a signing!

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1617 on: August 06, 2020, 12:51:58 PM »
More than one newspaper is reporting on the one hand that Ollie Watkins has an £18m release clause but on the other that Brentford are determined to receive £25m for him.  I told you we should’ve started a bidding war for Delph that time.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2020, 01:00:31 PM by kippaxvilla2 »

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1618 on: August 06, 2020, 12:54:11 PM »
I've never really bought the 'yes he scores but that's all he does' argument, about anyone.  When you look at our current 'strike force' we're certainly not in a position to turn our noses up at anyone with a strike rate similar to Tammy's.  So I'd be happy to see him here but I kind of take paul's point: just because he's played for us before doesn't mean Tammy is necessarily the very best option.  That should be a minor factor; I've never understood what 'he gets the club' means.

It's more best use of the money we have than individually the best option. Signing Tammy for ~£50m means the same left for all the other signings we need and I don't think he'd have enough of an impact on us to be worth lowering the bar elsewhere. I'd be looking at £60-70m of the money we have on a wide player and a midfielder and then see what we can do with rest once they're sorted.

Look at all the places where we need strengthening - a striker, wide player, midfielder, central defence, left-back. Now, think how much difference a better player in any one of those positions would have made us last season. How much earlier would we have been safe if we'd got a different player alongside Tyrone Mings - maybe two games? A more physical presence in midfield - very likely the same. A striker who could have got us even twelve goals - pretty much as soon as we started up again. That's the impact he'd have had, and that's why we should be signing the best goalscorer we can, then seeing how much we've got left for the other replacements.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1619 on: August 06, 2020, 12:59:15 PM »
I've never really bought the 'yes he scores but that's all he does' argument, about anyone.  When you look at our current 'strike force' we're certainly not in a position to turn our noses up at anyone with a strike rate similar to Tammy's.  So I'd be happy to see him here but I kind of take paul's point: just because he's played for us before doesn't mean Tammy is necessarily the very best option.  That should be a minor factor; I've never understood what 'he gets the club' means.

It's more best use of the money we have than individually the best option. Signing Tammy for ~£50m means the same left for all the other signings we need and I don't think he'd have enough of an impact on us to be worth lowering the bar elsewhere. I'd be looking at £60-70m of the money we have on a wide player and a midfielder and then see what we can do with rest once they're sorted.

Look at all the places where we need strengthening - a striker, wide player, midfielder, central defence, left-back. Now, think how much difference a better player in any one of those positions would have made us last season. How much earlier would we have been safe if we'd got a different player alongside Tyrone Mings - maybe two games? A more physical presence in midfield - very likely the same. A striker who could have got us even twelve goals - pretty much as soon as we started up again. That's the impact he'd have had, and that's why we should be signing the best goalscorer we can, then seeing how much we've got left for the other replacements.
When we were in the deep messy stuff just before lockdown I can remembr thinking to myself how daft I was for even contemplating last summer that we could do better than Tammy if he went back to Chelsea. If he is available then we should get him.

 


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