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Author Topic: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread  (Read 103116 times)

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #285 on: July 06, 2020, 11:15:43 PM »
I couldn't help myself, I had to look up Bowery. He scored 2 for Milton Keynes this/last season, and has now moved to Mansfield Town for free.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #286 on: July 06, 2020, 11:20:31 PM »
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.

When we get relegated signing Grabban and Gayle is a must. I don't care what happens with Davis, Wesley or Samatta.

Err, ok. Lets sign a 29 year old and a 32 year old that are not quite good enough for the top flight, that will sort all of our problems out.

Dwight Gayle is hardly ancient, scored 20 odd for WBA just the other season and been injured a lot this season but scored two recently v us and Bournemouth.

He comes in and scores his usual and then he becomes a squad striker in premier league which he's been doing this season for Newcastle. Also means we've got one less striker to sign once we're promoted again. I'm also assuming Davis, Wesley and Samatta all stay so you'd like to think one of those would have a really good season scoring wise and show they're ready to do something in the premier league.

Newcastle signed Gayle after getting relegated in 2016. He scored 23 goals and they won the league so a manager like Benitez knew what he was doing in that situation. They also signed Matt Ritchie from Bournemouth and Clark from us and both are still part of their squad four years on as they have another comfortable mid table finish.

Would pass on Grabban though who isn't good enough for the premier league so that would be a very short term move. Can see us going for Lolley who's the grand old age of 27.
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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #287 on: July 06, 2020, 11:31:18 PM »
Exactly. Rip it up and start again. Every summer.

Going to happen again this summer if we go down though. Best players will go, and five or six will need to come in. Agree we need to keep more this time, and think we will. Coaching needs to improve though to see if they can come along.

Also we actually need to get the right few players in so we can pick a formation that has 11 players that can play in it without glaring issues. At no point in the last 3 seasons have we had that. Whatever system we pick somewhere we don't have the right player.

I always think you need 5-6 regardless after relegation just to freshen things up as the squad gets used to losing again and so you risk a hangover at the start of the season if you go with the same players. We saw that at the start of 2016 season when we started the season with likes of Bacuna, Gestede and Westwood and could hardly win a game.

Also the championship schedule is going to be more condensed than usual given it will likely start in September so going to be a game pretty much every midweek so will have to rotate more than usual so will need a competitive squad of over 20 players.

Aside from the big name departures we surely need to shift likes of Taylor and Lansbury who are in last 12 months of their deals so they'll also need to be replaced.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #288 on: July 06, 2020, 11:34:50 PM »
Five or six is normal anyway, but what we did in 2015-16 was ridiculous. You can't buy virtually an entire new squad in one season and expect them to work out.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #289 on: July 06, 2020, 11:36:59 PM »
Probably because he'd just bagged 20 plus goals in the next league down and looked like he was one who could make the transition. As it was, he couldn't.

But yes, that leadership group of Guzan, Lescott, Richards and Gabby were horseshit.   Imagine being a young player looking fr guidance or good examples during that period.  Like stumbling into Gerry Cottle's circus.

Richards may have been battling a long-term injury as part mitigation. Gabby became a legend in his own lunchtime. All his woes were self inflicted.

I don't see how, despite the 20 goals, anyone can have watched him play and thought he was good enough, one of the most technically poor players I've ever seen.

Gestede did bag a couple of goals from Amavi crosses. As soon as he got injured then Rudy became pretty ineffective.

We went down because we lost Vlaar, Delph and Benteke in one summer. Imagine if we actually stay up and then lose Mings, McGinn and Grealish all in one go. Losing Grealish would be bad enough considering he's the heartbeat of everything we do and we can still barely muster even 30 points in the top league so we'd have to sign some real quality to stay up next season if we do a great escape.

I actually think Gestede would've been an o.k plan B option but he quickly became the default Benteke replacement for some season when we messed up signing a more proven top level striker in the last days of the 2015 window so like last summer and Wesley.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #290 on: July 06, 2020, 11:46:08 PM »
Had a check back....Newcastle signed 9 players when they got relegated in 2016. Got in Hayden, Gayle, Diame, Clark, Yedlin, Matt Richie and Atsu who were pretty much all from prem clubs (or recently relegated ones) and six of those are still in their first time squad so that core helped them back and then reverted to mostly being squad players.

That summer they sold Townsend, Sissoko and Wijnaldum for over 60m.

However highly your rate Benitez or not that's the benefit right there of having an experienced manager at the helm. He knew exactly what he was doing which was reflected in their 94 points, 32 more than we got.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #291 on: July 06, 2020, 11:49:44 PM »
We will need to do that. I still believe that if we do go down, even net of Jack, Mings and Luiz, whoever is left because we simply won't sell everyone will be more than able to compete at the top end from the very start. The key is the manager. Will it be Smith or someone else?

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #292 on: July 06, 2020, 11:51:22 PM »
We will really need to rid the smell of defeat before we think about buying players.  This means changes in manager and recruitment for me.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #293 on: July 07, 2020, 09:01:17 AM »
its the most important signing we make in the summer

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #294 on: July 07, 2020, 09:20:22 AM »
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.

When we get relegated signing Grabban and Gayle is a must. I don't care what happens with Davis, Wesley or Samatta.

Err, ok. Lets sign a 29 year old and a 32 year old that are not quite good enough for the top flight, that will sort all of our problems out.

Dwight Gayle is hardly ancient, scored 20 odd for WBA just the other season and been injured a lot this season but scored two recently v us and Bournemouth.

He comes in and scores his usual and then he becomes a squad striker in premier league which he's been doing this season for Newcastle. Also means we've got one less striker to sign once we're promoted again. I'm also assuming Davis, Wesley and Samatta all stay so you'd like to think one of those would have a really good season scoring wise and show they're ready to do something in the premier league.

Newcastle signed Gayle after getting relegated in 2016. He scored 23 goals and they won the league so a manager like Benitez knew what he was doing in that situation. They also signed Matt Ritchie from Bournemouth and Clark from us and both are still part of their squad four years on as they have another comfortable mid table finish.

Would pass on Grabban though who isn't good enough for the premier league so that would be a very short term move. Can see us going for Lolley who's the grand old age of 27.

If we do go down, I definitely think we need to bring in a striker like Gayle.  Wesley probably won't be fit for the start of the season and Samatta and Davis haven't exactly been convincing. 

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #295 on: July 07, 2020, 09:42:09 AM »
Not sure what's happened to Samatta.

He looked fine early on, against Leicester in the cup and Bournemouth. And in the cup final. But since the restart he hasn't looked at it at all. Wonder if it's issues with the family settling - particularly with lockdown and all that fun and games.

Either way he looks a different player.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #296 on: July 07, 2020, 09:44:31 AM »
Not sure what's happened to Samatta.

He looked fine early on, against Leicester in the cup and Bournemouth. And in the cup final. But since the restart he hasn't looked at it at all. Wonder if it's issues with the family settling - particularly with lockdown and all that fun and games.

Either way he looks a different player.

Aston Villa.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #297 on: July 07, 2020, 10:05:13 AM »
Not sure what's happened to Samatta.

He looked fine early on, against Leicester in the cup and Bournemouth. And in the cup final. But since the restart he hasn't looked at it at all. Wonder if it's issues with the family settling - particularly with lockdown and all that fun and games.

Either way he looks a different player.

Aston Villa.

We have a nasty habit of coaching any talent out of players that seems to transcend all coaching and manager combinations. Ditto fitness levels and level of injuries. Even under MON we were poor at coaching, we just had better quality more motivated badly coached players.


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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #298 on: July 07, 2020, 11:28:02 PM »
We have the same effect on strikers as we do managers. B6 is usually the point where the driver turns to them and announces its the end of the line.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #299 on: July 08, 2020, 12:05:26 AM »
Not sure what's happened to Samatta.

He looked fine early on, against Leicester in the cup and Bournemouth. And in the cup final. But since the restart he hasn't looked at it at all. Wonder if it's issues with the family settling - particularly with lockdown and all that fun and games.

Either way he looks a different player.

He's playing in a shite team in empty stadiums with no chances being created. Another classic example of a player being written off by large parts of our fanbase after only playing 3 months of football for us.

Looks like a good player to me. needs the service

 


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