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Author Topic: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team  (Read 12539 times)

Offline Damo70

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #120 on: April 08, 2020, 08:07:01 PM »
We made a mistake letting Sid go to Blackburn as he proved in the game against us at Ewood Park. Dalian Atkinson's injuries didn't help us particularly as the 1992-1993 version of Dwight Yorke wasn't as good as Dalian was at that point. It was two or three years later before Yorke hit his peak in a Villa shirt. Steve Froggatt was also on fire early in the season before getting injured.

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #121 on: April 08, 2020, 08:13:09 PM »
I liked Joachim, I'd completely erased him signing for Coventry from my mind so I checked it up on Wikipedia. Fucking hell, his career went to the pits after he left us.

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #122 on: April 08, 2020, 08:25:56 PM »
I liked Joachim, I'd completely erased him signing for Coventry from my mind so I checked it up on Wikipedia. Fucking hell, his career went to the pits after he left us.

Certainly did - he hit rock bottom by playing against me in a charity friendly.

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #123 on: April 08, 2020, 09:02:36 PM »
Nifty little player on his day. Scored some fine goals for us. Probably none as good as this though:



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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #124 on: April 08, 2020, 09:13:44 PM »
It seems Julian Joachim is still playing .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Joachim?wprov=sfla1

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #125 on: April 08, 2020, 09:50:27 PM »
Going back to the 92/93 team and the debate about why we couldn't maintain that lofty position - I think before the money came in and a select number of teams began to pull away, you tended to get a team for who the stars would align for a season and they would mount a title challenge.  It would tend to be for that one season only and wouldn't be maintained after.  Ipswich, Watford, Southampton all finished runners up in the 1980's.

Leeds in 91/92 were probably an example of that.  Had a decent season before and then just had a great season, but were no great shakes after that.  Leicester were probably a throwback to that.


Offline Damo70

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #126 on: April 08, 2020, 10:31:35 PM »
Going back to the 92/93 team and the debate about why we couldn't maintain that lofty position - I think before the money came in and a select number of teams began to pull away, you tended to get a team for who the stars would align for a season and they would mount a title challenge.  It would tend to be for that one season only and wouldn't be maintained after.  Ipswich, Watford, Southampton all finished runners up in the 1980's.

Leeds in 91/92 were probably an example of that.  Had a decent season before and then just had a great season, but were no great shakes after that.  Leicester were probably a throwback to that.


To be fair in 1980-1981 Ipswich lost the league to us by four points in the days of two points for a win, won the UEFA Cup and reached an FA Cup semi final. The following year they were runners up again four points behind Liverpool and reached a League Cup semi final where they lost to Liverpool. Two very good seasons with one trophy to show for it. What always surprises me is how often Ipswich are classed (mainly by themselves admittedly but also by some of the media) as being hard done by to losing the title to us by four points in 1981 but nobody suggests they were hard done by to lose the title to Liverpool by the same amount of points the following season. And if anyone bangs on about us failing to beat Ipswich in three games in 80/81 we can point out Manure won the title but failed to beat us in three games in 1992/93.
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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #127 on: April 08, 2020, 10:42:54 PM »
Leeds in 91/92 were probably an example of that
I heard a theory that the introduction of the back pass rule immediately following their title success played a part in their poor title defence.

Offline Damo70

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #128 on: April 08, 2020, 11:07:09 PM »
Leeds in 91/92 were probably an example of that
I heard a theory that the introduction of the back pass rule immediately following their title success played a part in their poor title defence.


There could be something in that. Pre back pass rule under Wilkinson they won they second division in 1990, came fourth in the top flight in 1991 and were first division champions in 1992. The rule changed for the 1992/1993 season and they finished 17th.

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #129 on: April 08, 2020, 11:24:15 PM »
Leeds in 91/92 were probably an example of that
I heard a theory that the introduction of the back pass rule immediately following their title success played a part in their poor title defence.


There could be something in that. Pre back pass rule under Wilkinson they won they second division in 1990, came fourth in the top flight in 1991 and were first division champions in 1992. The rule changed for the 1992/1993 season and they finished 17th.

Tony Dorigo mentioned it as the reason for their drop-off in a podcast I listened to last week (I'm really bored).

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #130 on: April 09, 2020, 12:03:35 AM »
I liked Joachim, I'd completely erased him signing for Coventry from my mind so I checked it up on Wikipedia. Fucking hell, his career went to the pits after he left us.

Certainly did - he hit rock bottom by playing against me in a charity friendly.

Wasn't at the Kingpower was it by any chance?

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #131 on: April 09, 2020, 07:16:27 AM »
My memory of this is somewhat hazy but top of the table with six games to go in 92/93 to barely avoiding relegation two seasons later minus Ron Atkinson. What are the explanations for this rapid decline? The squad wasn't that old, the likes of Daley, Atkinson, Staunton should have been at their peak and we had a young Yorke and Bosnich. The form and careers of so many players seemed to fall off a cliff after 1993.

Mate what a side that 92/93 was.

Bosnich
Barrett McGrath Teale Staunton
Froggatt Richardson Houghton Parker
Saunders Atkinson / Yorke

We started off average until Saunders signed and of course his home debut is the Liverpool win which propelled the team in confidence and play.

We hit a purple patch and just went on and on. Match of the Day was like “if you want to see great goals, get yourself down to Villa Park”.
“We need two goal of the seasons - one for Aston Villa and one for the rest”.

Putting this into context - Manure were losing at HOME to the plodders of Wimbledon.

There was always an anti-midlands bias by the London based media, bent FA of the time and of course the resentment were doing so well. The fergie-owls game is your proof along with the Premier league trophy being stored at OT while the league still in the balance and then the disheartening decisions constantly going manures way.

Dalian then began his sicknote tag and according to both Doug and Ron we had the chance to sign Collymore from Southend that probably would have won us the league - with both blaming each other for the failure.

We finished 10 points behind including losing at home to Oldham. Instead of pushing on we crapped in the league but raised ourselves in the cup to win it and deny manure the treble for the closest chance in their history.

Man City won the treble and nobody gives a f***.

By the time Big Ron left i think we had 5 or 6 players aged 30 or over in the XI.

Thank you for clearing up the mystery of why we lost 4 on the spin in Littles last season - all this behind scenes crap.

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #132 on: April 09, 2020, 09:04:35 AM »
Remy, we didn't stop Manure winning the treble in 1992/93, we stopped them winning the treble in 1993/94.

I went to about 25 games in the 1992/93 season and then emigrated to NZ in late Nov 1993, missing the League Cup Final :'(.
 

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #133 on: April 09, 2020, 10:47:38 AM »
I remember watching the review of the '97-98 season on Youtube last summer. The body-language between Little and Collymore in one of the post match interviews - I have a feeling it was against Steaua Bucharest - was very telling.

Offline Damo70

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Re: The rapid decline of the 92/93 team
« Reply #134 on: April 09, 2020, 12:31:51 PM »
Remy, we didn't stop Manure winning the treble in 1992/93, we stopped them winning the treble in 1993/94.

I went to about 25 games in the 1992/93 season and then emigrated to NZ in late Nov 1993, missing the League Cup Final :'(.


I nearly missed the 1994 Coca Cola Cup final. I was supposed to be moving over to work in Tenerife with a mate of mine in late 1993. But my mate had to attend court twice for a drink driving charge and his divorce, which delayed our departure until April 1994 and meant I got to go to the final. I did however miss the Holte's Last Stand, but I was at the Holte's last but one stand against Arsenal.

 


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