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Author Topic: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?  (Read 245343 times)

Offline frank black

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1965 on: April 09, 2020, 10:56:26 AM »
The point here isn't a debate about keeping people alive which I think you'll find every authority is actually trying their best to do . Germany , UK or other nations. It's important lives are saved of course.

The point to the post  is the health care 'allows' the chance for sport in Germany to take place.

That can't be said for the England and the football had to take a back step.

I don't think the German Government will put people's lives at risk or strain their services just to play sports .
However if any big league in Europe  can put on football then it's the German nation.

England at this time aren't equipped and in comparison Germany are.

Germany and its approach to its people are a very different mentality, example, they know for a fact that these testing kits are vital to preventing deaths and stopping infection, as much as possible, the Germans have been stockpiling them for years in the eventuality and reality that a crisis such as a Pandemic will hit the planet at some point, the UK have done nothing, Germany in comparison to the UK are a very Socialist  Democratic country, people come first, I worked there for a while and was amazed at the difference and the pride in that difference.     

You canít stockpile an unknown virus test kit. They are market leaders with many companies setup to produce this sort of thing and thatís why they have more than us. They have not stockpiled or been any more prepared, they have however reacted quicker.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1966 on: April 09, 2020, 11:36:32 AM »
The point here isn't a debate about keeping people alive which I think you'll find every authority is actually trying their best to do . Germany , UK or other nations. It's important lives are saved of course.

The point to the post  is the health care 'allows' the chance for sport in Germany to take place.

That can't be said for the England and the football had to take a back step.

I don't think the German Government will put people's lives at risk or strain their services just to play sports .
However if any big league in Europe  can put on football then it's the German nation.

England at this time aren't equipped and in comparison Germany are.

Germany and its approach to its people are a very different mentality, example, they know for a fact that these testing kits are vital to preventing deaths and stopping infection, as much as possible, the Germans have been stockpiling them for years in the eventuality and reality that a crisis such as a Pandemic will hit the planet at some point, the UK have done nothing, Germany in comparison to the UK are a very Socialist  Democratic country, people come first, I worked there for a while and was amazed at the difference and the pride in that difference.     

You canít stockpile an unknown virus test kit. They are market leaders with many companies setup to produce this sort of thing and thatís why they have more than us. They have not stockpiled or been any more prepared, they have however reacted quicker.

I'm guessing the kit mostly consists of sterilised swabs and containers. Those could be stockpiled. It would be the testing after the samples are taken that would be unique to the situations.

Apparently the nasal swab is very invasive going right up into the cavity at the back and causes nosebleeds etc.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1967 on: April 09, 2020, 12:15:41 PM »
So if most companies start back to work during May / June - do you have the right as an employee to refuse to go back to work for fear of catching the virus? if you do then what would happen to you - could you be sacked - have to go off sick and receive SSP only




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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1968 on: April 09, 2020, 12:32:14 PM »
So if most companies start back to work during May / June - do you have the right as an employee to refuse to go back to work for fear of catching the virus? if you do then what would happen to you - could you be sacked - have to go off sick and receive SSP only

the question is probably best put in the main Corona thread rather the Football specific one. I suspect it would depend on the government guidelines still. If you haven't had it, there is still no cures but are one of the ones specifically at very High Risk, then I'm sure the company will need to ensure some level of care and caution. However there are still all sorts of new concerns and "new norms" to be decided for the foreseeable as now the disease is out there, we don't know what new mutations will bring and if/ when a cure/vaccine will be available.

If it is like smallpox and you can only catch it once, then in 10 years time it will be like nothing as happened, conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers will be out in force and kids will get a shot called something like MMR-Covid. However if it is like flu /colds and we have "seasons" and various versions each year, then it will be turned into that, society will "cope" with the additional deaths and we will be at that "normal".

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1969 on: April 09, 2020, 12:54:18 PM »
If they are planning on going back to work, opening shopping centres etc then I see no difference with having crowds at football matches.  Realistically, you won't come in contact with 40,000 others at a game - You'd only come in contact with the same amount of people as you would if you visited a shopping centre.

More likely, a ban on public gatherings would remain in order to limit the spread to a minimum.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1970 on: April 09, 2020, 01:55:07 PM »
If they are planning on going back to work, opening shopping centres etc then I see no difference with having crowds at football matches.  Realistically, you won't come in contact with 40,000 others at a game - You'd only come in contact with the same amount of people as you would if you visited a shopping centre.

More likely, a ban on public gatherings would remain in order to limit the spread to a minimum.

I think being crammed into a football stadium is a big difference to a supermarket that will employ social distancing.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1971 on: April 09, 2020, 02:02:40 PM »
So if most companies start back to work during May / June - do you have the right as an employee to refuse to go back to work for fear of catching the virus? if you do then what would happen to you - could you be sacked - have to go off sick and receive SSP only


Unless you were actually ill or following Government guidance that you should self-isolate you would not be entitled to SSP.

It is automatic unfair dismissal to dismiss someone if the reason or principal reason is that "...in circumstances of danger which the employee reasonably believed to be serious and imminent and which he could not reasonably have been expected to avert, he...(while the danger persisted) refused to return to his place of work."

This would potentially make it unfair for an employer to dismiss someone in the circumstances your described but it is a moot point until this reaches Tribunals. If the Government is no longer advising against attending work and if the employer was taking suitable precautions it is questionable whether the employee could say that their belief that there was a serious and imminent danger was reasonable.   

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1972 on: April 09, 2020, 02:25:18 PM »
If they are planning on going back to work, opening shopping centres etc then I see no difference with having crowds at football matches.  Realistically, you won't come in contact with 40,000 others at a game - You'd only come in contact with the same amount of people as you would if you visited a shopping centre.

More likely, a ban on public gatherings would remain in order to limit the spread to a minimum.

I think being crammed into a football stadium is a big difference to a supermarket that will employ social distancing.

Yeah - I was on about shopping centres with multiple shops, coffee shops, etc.  You would assume they would re-open when people start back to work.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1973 on: April 09, 2020, 02:34:29 PM »
If they are planning on going back to work, opening shopping centres etc then I see no difference with having crowds at football matches.  Realistically, you won't come in contact with 40,000 others at a game - You'd only come in contact with the same amount of people as you would if you visited a shopping centre.

More likely, a ban on public gatherings would remain in order to limit the spread to a minimum.

I think being crammed into a football stadium is a big difference to a supermarket that will employ social distancing.

Yeah - I was on about shopping centres with multiple shops, coffee shops, etc.  You would assume they would re-open when people start back to work.

They will probably restrict numbers allowed into shopping centres. This is part of the so called exit strategy, which theyíve yet to agree what it looks like. No doubt it was easier to lockdown than it will be to reopen everything.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1974 on: April 09, 2020, 04:04:59 PM »
If they are planning on going back to work, opening shopping centres etc then I see no difference with having crowds at football matches.  Realistically, you won't come in contact with 40,000 others at a game - You'd only come in contact with the same amount of people as you would if you visited a shopping centre.

More likely, a ban on public gatherings would remain in order to limit the spread to a minimum.
I take it, you haven't been in the North Stand Upper at Half Time then?

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1975 on: April 09, 2020, 04:17:07 PM »
If they are planning on going back to work, opening shopping centres etc then I see no difference with having crowds at football matches.  Realistically, you won't come in contact with 40,000 others at a game - You'd only come in contact with the same amount of people as you would if you visited a shopping centre.

More likely, a ban on public gatherings would remain in order to limit the spread to a minimum.
I take it, you haven't been in the North Stand Upper at Half Time then?

The thing is, you don't go to the shops and park yourself potentially right next to a virus carrier for an hour and a half.

Offline Vill I An

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1976 on: April 09, 2020, 04:34:30 PM »
If they are planning on going back to work, opening shopping centres etc then I see no difference with having crowds at football matches.  Realistically, you won't come in contact with 40,000 others at a game - You'd only come in contact with the same amount of people as you would if you visited a shopping centre.

More likely, a ban on public gatherings would remain in order to limit the spread to a minimum.

I think being crammed into a football stadium is a big difference to a supermarket that will employ social distancing.

Yeah - I was on about shopping centres with multiple shops, coffee shops, etc.  You would assume they would re-open when people start back to work.

I don't tend to frequent shopping malls and coffee shops so much and I think if any actually survive then the UK attitude could be very different by some to using them anyway.
We are all getting by without them .
And I like to think there would be a change of attitude to many things .
Some people will change and others will just wait not getting that change will happen economically as well as socially.
I get clothes are essential but these places were there are many numbers gather I think could be frequented far less and with a lot of caution.
Slow progress back for places like the Westfields and Bull ring .

I can't imagine how many shops and workers in bull ring , mail box and Westfield London's will be altered by this .

I dunno some of that is good in as much as it teaches us a real focus on more important things but also it's livelihood and people preference to online.

I'm all for tech but those there is room to enjoy the social and getting out for shopping experience at the big tk Maxx by New Street or those little cafe and bars down by canal near mail box and broad Street and that I feel is a long way off.
But when ever some regularity comes about I can imagine some unreal behaviour and spending from people's relief but also many not giving a fuck about shops and coffee after suffering job losses , human losses, grief, or  just plain surviving this virus.
Life I think will be very different.
I don't know where we will be with football and peoples mindset both as supporters and players.
No one doesn't care about the Aston villa but we all get that life is the most important to each and everyone and family , society.

Take care and easter wishes  that's me for a few days. Hope everyone will be ok.
Thanks
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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1977 on: April 09, 2020, 04:40:21 PM »
Keep safe yourself, Vil I An.
UTV!

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1978 on: April 09, 2020, 05:02:34 PM »
If they are planning on going back to work, opening shopping centres etc then I see no difference with having crowds at football matches.  Realistically, you won't come in contact with 40,000 others at a game - You'd only come in contact with the same amount of people as you would if you visited a shopping centre.

More likely, a ban on public gatherings would remain in order to limit the spread to a minimum.
I take it, you haven't been in the North Stand Upper at Half Time then?

Not for about 40 years, no.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #1979 on: April 09, 2020, 05:45:12 PM »
Keep safe yourself, Vil I An.
UTV!

And your good self ! Stay safe.

One more from me :
#playerstogether
Premier League stars across the country at all different clubs have come together to set up an initiative called 'Players Together', which will help the NHS in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic.

The Aston Villa players who have publically stated they are part of the premier league players initiative to pledge millions of pounds to support the NHS are

Eni Aluko Aston Villa women's sporting director.
Tyrone Mings
Tom Heaton
Ezri Konsa
John McGinn
Trezeguet

Applause to them. It's appreciated that players across clubs are backing this.
I guess Grealish is keeping low just because he doesn't want to look more stupid and hasn't been reported as yet but I like to think our captain is donating part of his money  to the cause .
Up the villa . And great to see players at our club and other premier league players giving at this time
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