Fans Worried Over Villa Future

[pete bland]

...but I think the point he wanted to make was that the questions were ducked and unanswered - the walk out was meant to underline this point.

That’s very odd because I read a quote directly from Fear saying that he walked as he had to be elsewhere.

Somebody's telling fibs.

Or someobody can't read.

What JF actually said on the list was

As for walking out....I had another meeting after and decided the spin and bluster was beyond a joke and that I may as well get off...I have every right to do what I wish.  Attend, not attend, ask questions, not ask questions, leave early, stay late...

[BW]

Thanks for the replies.

You may know that BW, but not everyone reading JF's report will have done...

He makes it appear like Ellis is faking(?), fudging(?) the vote. That Ellis has no right to win the poll. Whereas, he and one or two others have the rightly acquired ability to use their votes in the way they chose.

As with the Dj-Dj case, people will find this disingeneous.

If you have the arguments and if you hold the facts, why do you want to falsely improve your argument?

Its the same as the various now-gospel stories that originate from myths.

[Laughing Gravity]

Laughing Gravity wrote:
Does the ST represent Villa supporters?

Oscar Goldman wrote:
It represents its members whose views it seeks on a regular basis and, yes, I would image that 100% of them are Villa fans

That was not the question. Surely it is a very tiny minority of Villa supporters and can not claim to speak for them.

Actually it doesn't speak, it's like a dead sheep.

[Risso]

How's the statue fund progressing that the Trust don't keep banging on about?

[pete bland]

Again, it's something where despite some claims to the opposite, the criticism was taken

http://listman.net/archives/villa/2005-October/061553.html

The last couple of sentences in the third paragraph of his reply was a particularly fine acceptance of criticism, I think.

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At first glance.

But I tell you what, as you've now cited this example twice - the first time claiming it as evidence that this is how Jon responds to anyone who "criticises" Why don't you quote the "criticism" and why don't you explain why the response to a single "slagging off" from one person equates to a response to "anyone" who criticises?

Either way, selecting one post from someone tends to lose overall context.

I'm sure almost everyone on this board, for example, has at some point responded in kind to some "comment". I know you have.  To then use that single response to claim "this is what he always says to anyone who criticises" is at best a cheap, personal, shot.

[Chris Smith]

Laughing Gravity wrote:
Does the ST represent Villa supporters?

Oscar Goldman wrote:
It represents its members whose views it seeks on a regular basis and, yes, I would image that 100% of them are Villa fans

That was not the question. Surely it is a very tiny minority of Villa supporters and can not claim to speak for them.
Actually it doesn't speak, it's like a dead sheep.

However small or otherwise if they are it's members it can claim to speak for them, but then if it doesn't even do that you've nothing to worry about.

[Laughing Gravity]

However small or otherwise if they are it's members it can claim to speak for them, but then if it doesn't even do that you've nothing to worry about.

Small I think. And totally ineffective. And very very very quiet. Ssssh!

Have they ever given the impression they speak for Villa supporters in general? Just wondering.

"Why can't VFC be more like the Supporters Trust" is the line some people here follow. Well if you're into doing and saying nothing then great.

The Trust is almost as insignificant in numbers as VFC, I don't care how they are made up. Everyone has the right to a voice. I like what Jon Fear says. Good luck to him.

[Oscar Goldman]

Laughing Gravity wrote:
Does the ST represent Villa supporters?

Oscar Goldman wrote:
It represents its members whose views it seeks on a regular basis and, yes, I would image that 100% of them are Villa fans

That was not the question.

It may well have not been the question you actually wanted to ask but it was indeed the question.

[Laughing Gravity]

Only in pedantworld.

[Oscar Goldman]

Or someobody can't read.

Someobody (sic) certainly has problems writing.

[Oscar Goldman]

Only in pedantworld.

And also in Thickoworld it seems.

[Laughing Gravity]

So you admit it doesn't represent very many of all Villa supporters. What right have they to say anything on their behalf?

[Chris Smith]

However small or otherwise if they are it's members it can claim to speak for them, but then if it doesn't even do that you've nothing to worry about.

Small I think. And totally ineffective. And very very very quiet. Ssssh!

Have they ever given the impression they speak for Villa supporters in general? Just wondering.

"Why can't VFC be more like the Supporters Trust" is the line some people here follow. Well if you're into doing and saying nothing then great.

The Trust is almost as insignificant in numbers as VFC, I don't care how they are made up. Everyone has the right to a voice. I like what Jon Fear says. Good luck to him.

Everyone has a right to a voice. Absolutely. Of course those that don't agree with that voice have the same right to voice their disagreement. Particularly if an impression is allowed to flourish that the voice has a wider mandate.

[Chris Smith]

So you admit it doesn't represent very many of all Villa supporters. What right have they to say anything on their behalf?

Is that what they do?

[Laughing Gravity]

Particularly if an impression is allowed to flourish that the voice has a wider mandate.

Like the Trust?