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Offline sickbeggar

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #840 on: July 07, 2020, 11:42:39 PM »
yeah but by that decisive or brutal response SGT would have been out the door midway through his first season after promotion

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #841 on: July 07, 2020, 11:46:15 PM »
A quick look at the last 5 seasons shows survival at 36,38,38,35,35. We need 3 wins. Palace, Everton, Arsenal plus a point at West Ham. Gives us 37 points and survival. It's easy this football malarkey.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2020, 11:48:28 PM by The Edge »

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #842 on: July 07, 2020, 11:49:50 PM »
It is. Shame Smith is not up to the job.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #843 on: July 08, 2020, 12:50:28 AM »
If this.
If that.

The only if I'm certain of is if we'd sacked Smith before Christmas we wouldn't be in this position.

We all like Smith and he did well to get us up...and may well be the man to get us up again. But let's face it, the manager is the most important job at a club and it is at least a decade, more likely 14 years, since we went out and appointed a proven top manager. Making a whole series of bad appointments over the years has led us to here. That is a position where we are at the arse end of the table all through the season but keep the manager because he's basically 'one of us'.

We have got this badly wrong. It all feels like one step forward and two backwards.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #844 on: July 08, 2020, 01:15:07 AM »
After Watford away, that was the moment. Plenty of us said it on here so no revisionism. Whole Jan window and the Winter break for search and getting to work. Weíll look back and say we blew it then.

We picked up 7 points in the next 4 league games so probably the same as if a new manager had come in. Of course we could've then had better results v Bournemouth, Spurs and Southampton and properly pulled clear.

The key was Chelsea. If we'd played that in Mid March and lost I think DS would've been sacked given we had 3 weeks until our next match. We all know what happened next.

Given we've only just cut been cut adrift now there would've been enough time for someone to come in and at least shake things up. Decision was made and we have to accept the consequences of it. Interesting the three that have stuck with managers for whole season is very likely now to be the bottom 3.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #845 on: July 08, 2020, 01:18:43 AM »
Hard to see how anybody else would have been worse. Dismal Dean has been absolutely atrocious. Worse than Lambert.

Bit harsh. He gave us the fantastic run in and Wembley. I know Lambert didn't manage us in the championship but bar a decent end to 12/13 his reign seemed to be one new club low after the other. And it went on for f***ing ages. If DS leaves in the summer he'd still have managed us for a full year less than Lambert's 33 months here.

Will always have a soft spot for Dean due to watching Walsall when he first managed them and seeing him work his way up but he needs to be put out of his misery before things get much worse next season.

Offline wince

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #846 on: July 08, 2020, 01:20:09 AM »
We arenít gonna win again this season

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #847 on: July 08, 2020, 06:29:04 AM »
We need a new manager and one of those new manager bounces. Get that manager in today and give him the last 5 games.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #848 on: July 08, 2020, 06:43:13 AM »
lose against Man Utd and we're gone.
We have already gone.   Effectively 5 points from safety and cannot score goals.

Not quite, but I think we are on the brink.  The Palace game is the glimmer of hope at the moment.
Agree.
Palace at home is the game.
Win that and weíre in with a shot of staying up.

ďIt ainít over till itís overĒ
Yogi Berra 1973.
Lenny Kravitz 1991.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #849 on: July 08, 2020, 07:23:09 AM »
All is not lost yet - I can still see us staying up :

Norwich and Bournemouth bottom 2

Watford : draw with Newcastle (H) and West Ham (A), lose to Man C (H) and Arsenal (A) - 33 pts

Villa: lose to Man U , beat Palace (H), draw with Everton (A) , lose to Arsenal (H), beat West Ham (A) - 34 pts

None of those results , in isolation, that unlikely.

Keep The Faith !!!

Iíve been clinging onto something like this and agree it could still happen. I think the major problem now in the mini league weíre in, is if we lose tomorrow, Watford play a day before us at the weekend. If Bruceís boys donít turn up, Watford will be 5 to 7 points ahead of us by the time we play palace. I think then it is literally win or bust on Sunday and Iím not sure this group of players will handle that pressure at the moment.

Or we could beat Man U, and Watford could lose to Newcastle.....dreamland

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #850 on: July 08, 2020, 07:27:09 AM »
A defeat against Manure will relegate us mentally if not mathematically.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #851 on: July 08, 2020, 08:12:25 AM »
If Smith sticks to the same game plan we're gone, needs to try a different forward set up with players up for the fight.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #852 on: July 08, 2020, 08:29:58 AM »
Hard to see how anybody else would have been worse. Dismal Dean has been absolutely atrocious. Worse than Lambert.

Come off it. I know it was late and you might have had a beer or two but that's demonstrably rubbish.

Smith holds the record for the most consecutive wins our club has ever had. He's managed a Villa side to a promotion and a win at Wembley.

Lambert holds plenty of records at the Villa, none of them good, including our heaviest ever defeat, and he sowed the seeds of our eventual relegation. He also went 12 games without a win, which Smith has never presided over, yet!

I don't think you'll find anyone who says Smith has done a good job this year but to say he's worse than Lambert is just silly.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #853 on: July 08, 2020, 08:45:39 AM »
Hard to see how anybody else would have been worse. Dismal Dean has been absolutely atrocious. Worse than Lambert.

Do you mean this season or overall?

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #854 on: July 08, 2020, 09:08:47 AM »
The problem is we do not know how good or bad Smith is.  However the next five games go we are still in a position of having to make a call about Dean Smith.  Back in the day the manager carried the can.  Things are different these days.  It could well be that Purslow, Pitarch or any of half a dozen others with power at the club are responsible for the car crash that has been our player recruitment.  My personal opinion is that he must go however this season finishes.  But I have sympathy for him because he has been only one of a team that has royally screwed up.  I think the money and the machinations of agents in Smith's shift in the Premiership have overwhelmed him.  Villa Park needs a new broom not a scapegoat or two.

 


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