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Author Topic: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread  (Read 232731 times)

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3075 on: January 22, 2020, 09:57:33 PM »
Apologies if already posted but according to BBC website Eisiah Suliman has been sold to Vitoria Guimaraes. Fee not disclosed

Bloody hell was he still here? How old is he now?

I donít know but I think he was due a testimonial.

We never did play Guilbert and Sulliman in the same team :-(

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3076 on: January 22, 2020, 10:07:01 PM »
Clever one Mossman :)

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3077 on: January 22, 2020, 10:09:17 PM »
So where is this other striker then please ?

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3078 on: January 22, 2020, 10:19:48 PM »
Clever one Mossman :)

Iím shamelessly recycling that because itís the only clever thing Iíve ever posted 😃

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3079 on: January 22, 2020, 11:17:31 PM »
Targett played well last night, but that left side still concerns me with him and Neil Taylor.

If we were able to do a loan deal for cover either there (or possibly shunt Guilbert to LB and get a right sided full-back in, depending on availability) I'd be more confident about our options there.

Would still like N'Zonzi and another forward or wide player, but I can't see three arrivals between now and the end of Jan.

Have to agree.  I thought the delivery from both wing backs was poor last night and neither of them are the athletic, driving type of player we need in that position.  In the modern game you need players who can can almost cover one flank of the pitch on their own and I don't think either Guilbert or Targett can. 

That said, I think those positions are way down the lust of priorities in this window, 

I think you're completely wrong on Guilbert, I think he could be superb as that.

I honestly don't Paul.  He probably does have the athleticism, but I just don't think he is good enough on the ball and his crossing was really poor last night (he wasn't alone in that I do have to add). 

He turned backwards almost every time he had the ball last night and I think to be really effective in that position, you have to have the ability to beat players and create space for yourself. 

Ideally, you want to the leave the flanks open for wing-backs, allowing more advanced to find pocketed of space inside.  I think with the two wing-backs we do have though, we need players in wide areas in front of them to give those options.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3080 on: January 22, 2020, 11:42:37 PM »
Targett played well last night, but that left side still concerns me with him and Neil Taylor.

If we were able to do a loan deal for cover either there (or possibly shunt Guilbert to LB and get a right sided full-back in, depending on availability) I'd be more confident about our options there.

Would still like N'Zonzi and another forward or wide player, but I can't see three arrivals between now and the end of Jan.

Have to agree.  I thought the delivery from both wing backs was poor last night and neither of them are the athletic, driving type of player we need in that position.  In the modern game you need players who can can almost cover one flank of the pitch on their own and I don't think either Guilbert or Targett can. 

That said, I think those positions are way down the lust of priorities in this window, 

I think you're completely wrong on Guilbert, I think he could be superb as that.

I honestly don't Paul.  He probably does have the athleticism, but I just don't think he is good enough on the ball and his crossing was really poor last night (he wasn't alone in that I do have to add). 

He turned backwards almost every time he had the ball last night and I think to be really effective in that position, you have to have the ability to beat players and create space for yourself. 

Ideally, you want to the leave the flanks open for wing-backs, allowing more advanced to find pocketed of space inside.  I think with the two wing-backs we do have though, we need players in wide areas in front of them to give those options.

but throughout the season he has beaten men and put some very good crosses in and I don't believe he'd played wing-back before until this month so he needs the time to adapt, he's a much better player than you're giving him credit for though.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3081 on: January 23, 2020, 12:06:39 AM »
Has he assisted much? Did well to creep in at the back stick for his goal at Leicester but I don't think we've seen enough of Guilbert as an attacking force.

The only game I've seen in the flesh this season, VP against Southampton, our wide men were forever delivering flat crosses from thirty yards out which were meat and drink to defend against whereas Saints wingers/full backs consistently got to the byline, skinning one or two of our lads  and getting balls in and around the six yard box. The only player we have capable of doing that is Grealish.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3082 on: January 23, 2020, 12:25:19 AM »
Targett played well last night, but that left side still concerns me with him and Neil Taylor.

If we were able to do a loan deal for cover either there (or possibly shunt Guilbert to LB and get a right sided full-back in, depending on availability) I'd be more confident about our options there.

Would still like N'Zonzi and another forward or wide player, but I can't see three arrivals between now and the end of Jan.

Have to agree.  I thought the delivery from both wing backs was poor last night and neither of them are the athletic, driving type of player we need in that position.  In the modern game you need players who can can almost cover one flank of the pitch on their own and I don't think either Guilbert or Targett can. 

That said, I think those positions are way down the lust of priorities in this window, 

I think you're completely wrong on Guilbert, I think he could be superb as that.

I honestly don't Paul.  He probably does have the athleticism, but I just don't think he is good enough on the ball and his crossing was really poor last night (he wasn't alone in that I do have to add). 

He turned backwards almost every time he had the ball last night and I think to be really effective in that position, you have to have the ability to beat players and create space for yourself. 

Ideally, you want to the leave the flanks open for wing-backs, allowing more advanced to find pocketed of space inside.  I think with the two wing-backs we do have though, we need players in wide areas in front of them to give those options.

but throughout the season he has beaten men and put some very good crosses in and I don't believe he'd played wing-back before until this month so he needs the time to adapt, he's a much better player than you're giving him credit for though.

Have to agree to disagree on the final line, as I've not been convinced by him this season Paul.  As others have said though, our short-term priorities for strengthening lie elsewhere. 

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3083 on: January 23, 2020, 01:13:07 AM »
Targett played well last night, but that left side still concerns me with him and Neil Taylor.

If we were able to do a loan deal for cover either there (or possibly shunt Guilbert to LB and get a right sided full-back in, depending on availability) I'd be more confident about our options there.

Would still like N'Zonzi and another forward or wide player, but I can't see three arrivals between now and the end of Jan.

Have to agree.  I thought the delivery from both wing backs was poor last night and neither of them are the athletic, driving type of player we need in that position.  In the modern game you need players who can can almost cover one flank of the pitch on their own and I don't think either Guilbert or Targett can. 

That said, I think those positions are way down the lust of priorities in this window, 

I think you're completely wrong on Guilbert, I think he could be superb as that.

I honestly don't Paul.  He probably does have the athleticism, but I just don't think he is good enough on the ball and his crossing was really poor last night (he wasn't alone in that I do have to add). 

He turned backwards almost every time he had the ball last night and I think to be really effective in that position, you have to have the ability to beat players and create space for yourself. 

Ideally, you want to the leave the flanks open for wing-backs, allowing more advanced to find pocketed of space inside.  I think with the two wing-backs we do have though, we need players in wide areas in front of them to give those options.
For me Guilbert is one of our better players and his crossing is very good.You don't need wide players in front of wing backs .Football is about making diagonal runs and attacking space.Man City ,who don't play 3 at the back ,are the best team in the league for turning defences,but they don't rely on overlaps,they tend to have a player(s) who goes inside from a wider position and passes forward to a more centrally based player who goes outward into space in the box ,thus turning the defence or the alternative is a pull back for a strike from de Bruyne.They play quite narrow at the top end but wide in midfield .
Guilbert turns backwards because he hasn't the player in front of him or alongside to play a 1-2.Beating a player is fine in the last third but unless you're Grealish it's dangerous closer to your own goal.
The other need for Guilbert or Targett to attack more is quicker and better passing from the back 3 or deep lying midfielders which happened when Luiz was introduced and they were offered the opportunity to attack with space behind the Watford players rather than congestion around the halfwayline.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3084 on: January 23, 2020, 07:23:06 AM »
can this thread get back on topic?

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3085 on: January 23, 2020, 07:38:26 AM »
Targett played well last night, but that left side still concerns me with him and Neil Taylor.

If we were able to do a loan deal for cover either there (or possibly shunt Guilbert to LB and get a right sided full-back in, depending on availability) I'd be more confident about our options there.

Would still like N'Zonzi and another forward or wide player, but I can't see three arrivals between now and the end of Jan.

Have to agree.  I thought the delivery from both wing backs was poor last night and neither of them are the athletic, driving type of player we need in that position.  In the modern game you need players who can can almost cover one flank of the pitch on their own and I don't think either Guilbert or Targett can. 

That said, I think those positions are way down the lust of priorities in this window, 

I think you're completely wrong on Guilbert, I think he could be superb as that.
agree with you Paul e - Iíve been really impressed with what Iíve seen of Guilbert this season. Pretty decent going forward and willing to put a tackle in when needed. More than adequate for the Prem I think.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3086 on: January 23, 2020, 08:07:34 AM »
Read a post somewhere yesterday (it may have been Twatter) saying that Neil Taylor was a Stoke's training ground.
Probably bollock's but, fingers crossed.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3087 on: January 23, 2020, 08:11:32 AM »
Read a post somewhere yesterday (it may have been Twatter) saying that Neil Taylor was a Stoke's training ground.
Probably bollock's but, fingers crossed.

While I donít rate Taylor in the slightest, unless weíre bringing in another left back to cover for Targett (who has gone off injured several times this season) I canít see the sense in this. In the summer, yes but not now.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3088 on: January 23, 2020, 08:26:28 AM »
Agreed I donít think we have cover for left wing back, Hause could play full back in a 4 but wouldnít be enough going forward for me.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #3089 on: January 23, 2020, 08:34:03 AM »
The excitement of Tuesday night shouldn't hide the fact that we are still desperate for playable strikers. "Samagoal" by himself won't be enough. We have brought PL experience in with Reina and DD. We could do with some PL experience in the striker's role also. Let's not make the same mistake as we did in the summer and leave the striker's position wanting!