Both our goals came from our best two midfielders running into their box and causing mayhem. This is were they should be playing, not on the edge of our box
I just can not understand how he watched them tear through us without doing something about it.
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on September 22, 2019, 06:42:09 PMI know I bored everyone shitless with this in pre-season but the folly of going into the Premier League with a manager and squad who had precious little - and in some cases zero - experience of it is becoming evident.Absolutely, Dean Smith has zero experience of the Premiership, so we can live with that in the short term, common sense would say you get over that by bringing in players that are battle hardened Premiership campaigners.
I know I bored everyone shitless with this in pre-season but the folly of going into the Premier League with a manager and squad who had precious little - and in some cases zero - experience of it is becoming evident.
Quote from: richtheholtender on September 22, 2019, 06:49:53 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on September 22, 2019, 06:42:59 PMQuote from: richtheholtender on September 22, 2019, 06:39:29 PMI think we just need to calm down. As I put in the match thread this isn’t a shock, we’ve lost these sort of games for years. We’re 4 points off 6th having played spurs & arsenal away and Everton & West Ham at home. Wow.That's marvellous spin. Firstly, we're not four points off 6th, we're 4 points off 12th, and two places off the bottom.4 points off twelve then. Does it matter? We aren’t exactly cut a drift are we?No we're not, but we're also not hovering around the top six, either.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 22, 2019, 06:42:59 PMQuote from: richtheholtender on September 22, 2019, 06:39:29 PMI think we just need to calm down. As I put in the match thread this isn’t a shock, we’ve lost these sort of games for years. We’re 4 points off 6th having played spurs & arsenal away and Everton & West Ham at home. Wow.That's marvellous spin. Firstly, we're not four points off 6th, we're 4 points off 12th, and two places off the bottom.4 points off twelve then. Does it matter? We aren’t exactly cut a drift are we?
Quote from: richtheholtender on September 22, 2019, 06:39:29 PMI think we just need to calm down. As I put in the match thread this isn’t a shock, we’ve lost these sort of games for years. We’re 4 points off 6th having played spurs & arsenal away and Everton & West Ham at home. Wow.That's marvellous spin. Firstly, we're not four points off 6th, we're 4 points off 12th, and two places off the bottom.
I think we just need to calm down. As I put in the match thread this isn’t a shock, we’ve lost these sort of games for years. We’re 4 points off 6th having played spurs & arsenal away and Everton & West Ham at home.
Quote from: Drummond on September 22, 2019, 06:28:26 PMWe're shit, we're going down. Everyone is garbage.Smith out. Mings and Engels gifted two goals so they can fuck off too.Drummond: stamping out contrary opinion since 1874 probably.
We're shit, we're going down. Everyone is garbage.Smith out. Mings and Engels gifted two goals so they can fuck off too.
Quote from: themossman on September 22, 2019, 06:44:19 PMThat felt worryingly like the Leicester 15/16 game. Played well, things appeared to be clicking but pissed it away, mainly through tactical ineptitude.Absolutely nothing like Sherwood, a manager with no pedigree, who had proven nothing at the club, who was a proven bullshitter, who helped harness division in the dressing room, throwing on an extra attacking player when we were at Leicester and falling apart. This is the over the top crap that I am talking about.Comparing Tim Sherwood to Dean Smith?Here's a clue, one of them will never manage again. Take a guess who it is and for why.
That felt worryingly like the Leicester 15/16 game. Played well, things appeared to be clicking but pissed it away, mainly through tactical ineptitude.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2019, 06:48:07 PMGetting knackered and sitting deeper and deeper has nothing to do with PL experience though, none of us have managed in the PL but we could see what was happening and that changes were needed. We didn't make those changes until after their 3rd.I take your point but the game management was shocking and that definitely comes through experience.
Getting knackered and sitting deeper and deeper has nothing to do with PL experience though, none of us have managed in the PL but we could see what was happening and that changes were needed. We didn't make those changes until after their 3rd.
Quote from: aj2k77 on September 22, 2019, 06:46:59 PMQuote from: Rudy65 on September 22, 2019, 06:38:58 PMQuote from: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2019, 06:31:46 PMQuote from: aj2k77 on September 22, 2019, 06:29:25 PMReally over the top reactions. We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?and against a shocking and often bottling team such as ArsenalIf we'd have won or even drawn, with the same performance, the reactions would be 180 degree different. A draw, against a team down to 10 men for an hour, who were also behind would still have been a very poor result.
Quote from: Rudy65 on September 22, 2019, 06:38:58 PMQuote from: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2019, 06:31:46 PMQuote from: aj2k77 on September 22, 2019, 06:29:25 PMReally over the top reactions. We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?and against a shocking and often bottling team such as ArsenalIf we'd have won or even drawn, with the same performance, the reactions would be 180 degree different.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2019, 06:31:46 PMQuote from: aj2k77 on September 22, 2019, 06:29:25 PMReally over the top reactions. We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?and against a shocking and often bottling team such as Arsenal
Quote from: aj2k77 on September 22, 2019, 06:29:25 PMReally over the top reactions. We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?
Really over the top reactions.
I don't want to be ungrateful after everything he's done for us but Smith really is starting to concern me. The managers of the two other promoted clubs aren't looking out of their depth. They've risen well to the challenge. Smith? Not so much.
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on September 22, 2019, 06:51:01 PMQuote from: aj2k77 on September 22, 2019, 06:46:59 PMQuote from: Rudy65 on September 22, 2019, 06:38:58 PMQuote from: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2019, 06:31:46 PMQuote from: aj2k77 on September 22, 2019, 06:29:25 PMReally over the top reactions. We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?and against a shocking and often bottling team such as ArsenalIf we'd have won or even drawn, with the same performance, the reactions would be 180 degree different. A draw, against a team down to 10 men for an hour, who were also behind would still have been a very poor result.Not trying to be over picky, but wasn't he sen't off on the stroke of half time?Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 22, 2019, 06:51:02 PMQuote from: richtheholtender on September 22, 2019, 06:49:53 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on September 22, 2019, 06:42:59 PMQuote from: richtheholtender on September 22, 2019, 06:39:29 PMI think we just need to calm down. As I put in the match thread this isn’t a shock, we’ve lost these sort of games for years. We’re 4 points off 6th having played spurs & arsenal away and Everton & West Ham at home. Wow.That's marvellous spin. Firstly, we're not four points off 6th, we're 4 points off 12th, and two places off the bottom.4 points off twelve then. Does it matter? We aren’t exactly cut a drift are we?No we're not, but we're also not hovering around the top six, either.Come on, no one in their right mind expected the club that got in to the play offs after a late season run to be around the top 6 did they? We need to consolidate and stay in the division this season. By any means necessary and it won't be done by questioning everything about the team and management when we lose tight games. There's a time to do that and it isn't after 6 games when you are fighting hard for everything.
Insert "this is fine" fire cartoon meme for Drummond.
He's not inexperienced though is he. OK it's his first Premier League season, but "replace a tired player" is hardly something you'd need to be Guardiola to know.
Quote from: aj2k77 on September 22, 2019, 06:55:55 PMQuote from: taylorsworkrate on September 22, 2019, 06:51:01 PMQuote from: aj2k77 on September 22, 2019, 06:46:59 PMQuote from: Rudy65 on September 22, 2019, 06:38:58 PMQuote from: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2019, 06:31:46 PMQuote from: aj2k77 on September 22, 2019, 06:29:25 PMReally over the top reactions. We spent all the second half against 10 men, the 10 men did us 3-1 in that half, what reaction are you expecting?and against a shocking and often bottling team such as ArsenalIf we'd have won or even drawn, with the same performance, the reactions would be 180 degree different. A draw, against a team down to 10 men for an hour, who were also behind would still have been a very poor result.Not trying to be over picky, but wasn't he sen't off on the stroke of half time?Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 22, 2019, 06:51:02 PMQuote from: richtheholtender on September 22, 2019, 06:49:53 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on September 22, 2019, 06:42:59 PMQuote from: richtheholtender on September 22, 2019, 06:39:29 PMI think we just need to calm down. As I put in the match thread this isn’t a shock, we’ve lost these sort of games for years. We’re 4 points off 6th having played spurs & arsenal away and Everton & West Ham at home. Wow.That's marvellous spin. Firstly, we're not four points off 6th, we're 4 points off 12th, and two places off the bottom.4 points off twelve then. Does it matter? We aren’t exactly cut a drift are we?No we're not, but we're also not hovering around the top six, either.Come on, no one in their right mind expected the club that got in to the play offs after a late season run to be around the top 6 did they? We need to consolidate and stay in the division this season. By any means necessary and it won't be done by questioning everything about the team and management when we lose tight games. There's a time to do that and it isn't after 6 games when you are fighting hard for everything.No, we didn't, and I didn't suggest we should be - i was responding to the erroneous assertion that we're 4 points off 6th.