Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2020, 12:01:31 PMQuote from: tim on June 19, 2020, 09:06:48 AMQuote from: PeterWithesShin on June 18, 2020, 11:39:12 PMI never get why an incident a few mins before half time means it would be the final score. We may have gone on to lose but the second half would have been different to how it was if the goal had been given.Indeed. Anything could have happened, however we can only judge what was presented to us, and that was what I commented on.You didn't comment on what happened. You commented on some alternative reality where "we lost" because for some reason you've decided to award their goal and ignore any possibility that the game might not have finished one-nil had it counted.I haven't decided to award them anything - we got a draw and a point. Great. All i was saying was that the ball went in our goal more times that it did theirs. In any other scenario that would have meant we lost the game. We didn't, although that wasn't of our making - and that's my point. Regardless of how things could have gone, the simple facts are at the end of the game, the ball was in our net more times than theirs. Hypothetical penalties don't mean anything as they are not a guaranteed goal and as these things didn't happen, it's impossible to say how it would have changed things. Ha ha - does no-one get where i'm coming from?
Quote from: tim on June 19, 2020, 09:06:48 AMQuote from: PeterWithesShin on June 18, 2020, 11:39:12 PMI never get why an incident a few mins before half time means it would be the final score. We may have gone on to lose but the second half would have been different to how it was if the goal had been given.Indeed. Anything could have happened, however we can only judge what was presented to us, and that was what I commented on.You didn't comment on what happened. You commented on some alternative reality where "we lost" because for some reason you've decided to award their goal and ignore any possibility that the game might not have finished one-nil had it counted.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 18, 2020, 11:39:12 PMI never get why an incident a few mins before half time means it would be the final score. We may have gone on to lose but the second half would have been different to how it was if the goal had been given.Indeed. Anything could have happened, however we can only judge what was presented to us, and that was what I commented on.
I never get why an incident a few mins before half time means it would be the final score. We may have gone on to lose but the second half would have been different to how it was if the goal had been given.
If we're going by correct decisions, if we were given the penalty then their goal never happens as the game would have played out differently from that moment.
Agree VCTM other than I'm resigned to us going down. Up until now we deserve to. Dean Smith says he selected the players that impressed him in recent weeks at BH and there lies our problem. A jumbled up mob with no plan. No doubt he will change the team against Chelsea and thereafter every week. I honestly think we're not half as bad as we pretend to be but then I've been saying that for the last 20 years.One thing this season I could never understand was how we've gayly skipped from one defeat to another without a care in the world that we'll eventually get relegated.
If we went down I don’t think we’d lose a load of our players. Jack obviously, Mings very likely and maybe SJM. And I love McGinn but he’s not a top 6 player in my opinion and he would be a target at a hefty price for the clubs in the middle of the table. If he really wants to play in the PL then it would cost one of those clubs a lot of money. So I’m not entirely convinced he’d be gone. Truthfully the rest of our squad in the Championship would be more than strong enough to win it. A few other players may want to get out but it’s not like they couldn’t be replaced intelligently at that level. And as much as I would be gutted and especially at the naivety of the manager and coaches, I would probably be ok with Dean Smith in the Championship than starting all over again.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2020, 03:59:04 PMIf we went down I don’t think we’d lose a load of our players. Jack obviously, Mings very likely and maybe SJM. And I love McGinn but he’s not a top 6 player in my opinion and he would be a target at a hefty price for the clubs in the middle of the table. If he really wants to play in the PL then it would cost one of those clubs a lot of money. So I’m not entirely convinced he’d be gone. Truthfully the rest of our squad in the Championship would be more than strong enough to win it. A few other players may want to get out but it’s not like they couldn’t be replaced intelligently at that level. And as much as I would be gutted and especially at the naivety of the manager and coaches, I would probably be ok with Dean Smith in the Championship than starting all over again.No it wouldn't be the end of the world. But I'm not sure that our squad minus, for sake of argument, Jack, Mings, SJM, maybe Heaton, would be that dominant. Those first three are absolutely crucial players for us and replacing them with similar quality will be very difficult , impossible in Jack's case.