Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2019, 02:32:51 PMQuote from: algy on August 30, 2019, 12:44:13 PMQuote from: Dogtanian on August 30, 2019, 10:32:12 AMI honestly don't think we can judge the guy. We bought a 21 year old who needed to continue playing and to develop as all young players do and then we played him only eight times, provided little consistency in terms of management, and farmed him off to other clubs.Absolutely no one is going to develop and show their potential like that and we probably let him down as a club more than he ever had a chance to let us down.This pretty much sums up my thoughts. It's not really fair to level criticisms on how good he was when we brought him for his potential then did absolutely nothing to develop it. We overpaid for him, but that's hardly his fault.Good luck to the lad, anyway. Hope the move to Belgium works out for him.I agree, I think he could've been a decent player from what I saw but when RDM went we needed a manager like Smith to come in if we were going to nurture players like him, by going shit or bust we effectively cut our loses on almost anyone under about 22-23 who wasn't already established in the first team, the really odd bit of that is that he signed a couple of the people that he then pretty much ignored and who have now moved on (in Bedeau and Bree).Bedeau was a Bruce buy, wasn't he?Same point applies, though.
Quote from: algy on August 30, 2019, 12:44:13 PMQuote from: Dogtanian on August 30, 2019, 10:32:12 AMI honestly don't think we can judge the guy. We bought a 21 year old who needed to continue playing and to develop as all young players do and then we played him only eight times, provided little consistency in terms of management, and farmed him off to other clubs.Absolutely no one is going to develop and show their potential like that and we probably let him down as a club more than he ever had a chance to let us down.This pretty much sums up my thoughts. It's not really fair to level criticisms on how good he was when we brought him for his potential then did absolutely nothing to develop it. We overpaid for him, but that's hardly his fault.Good luck to the lad, anyway. Hope the move to Belgium works out for him.I agree, I think he could've been a decent player from what I saw but when RDM went we needed a manager like Smith to come in if we were going to nurture players like him, by going shit or bust we effectively cut our loses on almost anyone under about 22-23 who wasn't already established in the first team, the really odd bit of that is that he signed a couple of the people that he then pretty much ignored and who have now moved on (in Bedeau and Bree).
Quote from: Dogtanian on August 30, 2019, 10:32:12 AMI honestly don't think we can judge the guy. We bought a 21 year old who needed to continue playing and to develop as all young players do and then we played him only eight times, provided little consistency in terms of management, and farmed him off to other clubs.Absolutely no one is going to develop and show their potential like that and we probably let him down as a club more than he ever had a chance to let us down.This pretty much sums up my thoughts. It's not really fair to level criticisms on how good he was when we brought him for his potential then did absolutely nothing to develop it. We overpaid for him, but that's hardly his fault.Good luck to the lad, anyway. Hope the move to Belgium works out for him.
I honestly don't think we can judge the guy. We bought a 21 year old who needed to continue playing and to develop as all young players do and then we played him only eight times, provided little consistency in terms of management, and farmed him off to other clubs.Absolutely no one is going to develop and show their potential like that and we probably let him down as a club more than he ever had a chance to let us down.
Quote from: Mister E on August 30, 2019, 03:53:02 PMQuote from: paul_e on August 30, 2019, 02:32:51 PMQuote from: algy on August 30, 2019, 12:44:13 PMQuote from: Dogtanian on August 30, 2019, 10:32:12 AMI honestly don't think we can judge the guy. We bought a 21 year old who needed to continue playing and to develop as all young players do and then we played him only eight times, provided little consistency in terms of management, and farmed him off to other clubs.Absolutely no one is going to develop and show their potential like that and we probably let him down as a club more than he ever had a chance to let us down.This pretty much sums up my thoughts. It's not really fair to level criticisms on how good he was when we brought him for his potential then did absolutely nothing to develop it. We overpaid for him, but that's hardly his fault.Good luck to the lad, anyway. Hope the move to Belgium works out for him.I agree, I think he could've been a decent player from what I saw but when RDM went we needed a manager like Smith to come in if we were going to nurture players like him, by going shit or bust we effectively cut our loses on almost anyone under about 22-23 who wasn't already established in the first team, the really odd bit of that is that he signed a couple of the people that he then pretty much ignored and who have now moved on (in Bedeau and Bree).Bedeau was a Bruce buy, wasn't he?Same point applies, though.Yep, as I said, he signed Bree and Bedeau and then did nothing to help them achieve their potential, just left them to it in the hope that they might be useful to him later.