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Author Topic: Cameron Archer (on loan at Middlesbrough)  (Read 319649 times)

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Re: Cameron Archer
« Reply #2025 on: November 18, 2022, 04:53:26 PM »

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Re: Cameron Archer
« Reply #2026 on: November 19, 2022, 07:21:46 PM »
They only have 3-4 new stories a week, which they constantly recycle with different clickbait headlines and with the various paragraphs in different orders.

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Re: Cameron Archer
« Reply #2027 on: November 23, 2022, 05:25:48 PM »
He should be getting some minutes in these friendlies and hopefully that will be his breakthrough.  You can understand Emery's reticence to start him from the off, he was probably keen to establish a strong basis with his senior pros.  Now is the time to experiment and assess the squad with a view to January and the end of the season.
 If he goes out on loan in the window it'll have been a wasted 3 months when he could have been getting regular game time at a good level elsewhere.

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Re: Cameron Archer
« Reply #2028 on: November 23, 2022, 05:33:44 PM »
I have no idea about the rules for this but I wonder if some of the loanees we have now might spend a day or 2 at BMH in this window, particularly the ones at clubs that are also on break. The players will have been given time off in those cases and it might be a good opportunity for thme to meet with the new management team. No idea if that's allowed or not though.

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« Reply #2029 on: November 23, 2022, 05:39:05 PM »
I have no idea about the rules for this but I wonder if some of the loanees we have now might spend a day or 2 at BMH in this window, particularly the ones at clubs that are also on break. The players will have been given time off in those cases and it might be a good opportunity for thme to meet with the new management team. No idea if that's allowed or not though.
I wondered something similar. If they could be recalled to see if they fit into Emeryís system or not. Be the perfect time to meet, greet & observe a few of them. One has to wonder that because they havenít, it isnít allowed due to their loan agreements.

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Re: Cameron Archer
« Reply #2030 on: November 23, 2022, 05:42:41 PM »
I have no idea about the rules for this but I wonder if some of the loanees we have now might spend a day or 2 at BMH in this window, particularly the ones at clubs that are also on break. The players will have been given time off in those cases and it might be a good opportunity for thme to meet with the new management team. No idea if that's allowed or not though.
I wondered something similar. If they could be recalled to see if they fit into Emeryís system or not. Be the perfect time to meet, greet & observe a few of them. One has to wonder that because they havenít, it isnít allowed due to their loan agreements.

They can't be recalled until Jan 1st but I've heard of players, in the past, having days back training with their parent club but I don't know if that is allowed since the changes.

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Re: Cameron Archer
« Reply #2031 on: November 23, 2022, 06:12:20 PM »
Cam went back to Villa whilst he was injured when at Solihull Moors.

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Re: Cameron Archer
« Reply #2032 on: November 23, 2022, 08:21:13 PM »
He should be getting some minutes in these friendlies and hopefully that will be his breakthrough.  You can understand Emery's reticence to start him from the off, he was probably keen to establish a strong basis with his senior pros.  Now is the time to experiment and assess the squad with a view to January and the end of the season.
 If he goes out on loan in the window it'll have been a wasted 3 months when he could have been getting regular game time at a good level elsewhere.

I'd rather Cam write off 3 months but go somewhere where he gets gametime than potentially write off a whole season.

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« Reply #2033 on: November 23, 2022, 08:25:48 PM »
We'll have to wait and see what decisions Emery makes in the next couple of months. First and foremost Cam wants to play for Aston Villa.

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« Reply #2034 on: November 23, 2022, 10:49:20 PM »
I have no idea about the rules for this but I wonder if some of the loanees we have now might spend a day or 2 at BMH in this window, particularly the ones at clubs that are also on break. The players will have been given time off in those cases and it might be a good opportunity for thme to meet with the new management team. No idea if that's allowed or not though.
I wondered something similar. If they could be recalled to see if they fit into Emeryís system or not. Be the perfect time to meet, greet & observe a few of them. One has to wonder that because they havenít, it isnít allowed due to their loan agreements.

They can't be recalled until Jan 1st but I've heard of players, in the past, having days back training with their parent club but I don't know if that is allowed since the changes.

That will depend on if they have a non-release clause in the loan contract or not.

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Re: Cameron Archer
« Reply #2035 on: November 23, 2022, 11:17:47 PM »
I have no idea about the rules for this but I wonder if some of the loanees we have now might spend a day or 2 at BMH in this window, particularly the ones at clubs that are also on break. The players will have been given time off in those cases and it might be a good opportunity for thme to meet with the new management team. No idea if that's allowed or not though.
I wondered something similar. If they could be recalled to see if they fit into Emeryís system or not. Be the perfect time to meet, greet & observe a few of them. One has to wonder that because they havenít, it isnít allowed due to their loan agreements.

They can't be recalled until Jan 1st but I've heard of players, in the past, having days back training with their parent club but I don't know if that is allowed since the changes.

That will depend on if they have a non-release clause in the loan contract or not.

Indeed, but I'd be amazed if we don't have one in every loan of a youngster out to lower league teams.

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Re: Cameron Archer
« Reply #2036 on: November 23, 2022, 11:20:47 PM »
Cam had a non-release clause when he was at Solihull Moors as well as PNE.

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Re: Cameron Archer
« Reply #2037 on: November 23, 2022, 11:34:10 PM »
Cam had a non-release clause when he was at Solihull Moors as well as PNE.

Preston would've been a standard half season loan seeing as he went in January and the rules were changed a while back that you can recall players outside of a window so we'd never have had an opportunity with that one. Season long loans in the summer are far more likely to have break clauses for both sides but maybe with someone who was 17(?) at the time they thought he was far enough from the first team that there was no need to have an option.

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« Reply #2038 on: November 23, 2022, 11:35:59 PM »
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Re: Cameron Archer
« Reply #2039 on: November 24, 2022, 10:00:40 AM »
He should be getting some minutes in these friendlies and hopefully that will be his breakthrough.  You can understand Emery's reticence to start him from the off, he was probably keen to establish a strong basis with his senior pros.  Now is the time to experiment and assess the squad with a view to January and the end of the season.
 If he goes out on loan in the window it'll have been a wasted 3 months when he could have been getting regular game time at a good level elsewhere.

I'd rather Cam write off 3 months but go somewhere where he gets gametime than potentially write off a whole season.
This was always the risk of keeping him in the squad.  Gerrard should probably have used him more, but was under pressure from the first game.  I felt if we hadn't started so badly he would have been more inclined to give Cam minutes - it's easier when you're winning games and playing well than scapping for your life.

In hindsight a loan would have been better, but I can see why both sides made the choice for him to stay.  As for him going on loan in Jan, I can't see it unless we bring another striker in.  Whether Cam likes it or not (or is getrting gametime or not) we need the depth.

 


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