Aston Villa vs AFC Bournemouth pre match thread

[PeterWithesShin]

No, i'm saying with how the game went he made the right decision. Bonkers is still going on about it 6 months later 

[cdbearsfan]

"Best" on what basis? If you're applying a permanence to said status, then noone can be dropped or called up. I'd suggest that any attempt to deduce who is the best at any given time should include a consideration of current form, in which case Taylor does not deserve to be dropped.

I also think it sends a bad message if he is dropped when he's played well.

This was the same nonsense that took place last year against Blues

Whelan had had a reasonable game the match before so got picked again because of it when a better player in John McGinn was on the bench after being injured/suspended

we played crap struggled to make any inroads until McGinn was finally bought on then we started to play a lot better and go on to win the game

this is not some kindergarten game where we need to share everything around in case we hurt their feelings
Taylor played ok at the weekend but judging him on the whole time he’s been with us I would hope we have better options than him now,

I’d play are best 11 every time where possible especially in the league
al this pissing about with players more suited to the championship will get us nowhere

How many did we concede at Small Heath? The team was perfect to stop them scoring, then when we needed a goal we made a substitution and got one.

McGinn played well after coming on and so, quite rightly, retained his place. Just as Taylor should having played well last week. And in the run-in last year, too.

[john e]

No, i'm saying with how the game went he made the right decision. Bonkers is still going on about it 6 months later 

well i admit i am a bit bonkers

but simply saying as long as you win it proves the starting line is always right is right up there on my level of bonkers

and i only mentioned it as an example of what we were talking about with the current players and you were the one who picked it up and ran with it

it always amazes me how so many people would rather go with an inferior starting line up when we have (hopefully) better options now on the bench

just play your best team that's all i'm saying

[PeterWithesShin]

Which i've said numerous times isn't what i'm saying, i'm saying that the way the game went the starting 11 and substitutions were bang on and DS made the correct decisions.

I'd prefer to see Taylor on the bench for Bournemouth as I think he was the right choice for Spurs away but the onus is on us to attack a lot more at home to Bournemouth so i'd swap him.

[Dogtanian]

Well, it will be interesting to see who DS does actually pick for Bournemouth.  But whoever he goes with in the end, I am sure he will have his reasons and truly believe it to be in the best interests of the team.

Genuinely can't wait!

[john e]

You pick the best team for that specific match. We won so it was the right team to select.

this is what you said,  don't try and pretend i'm making it up

you pick a team for a match -we won - so it was right

and that's exactly what i said you said and then now you are trying to squirm out of it
your basically saying right there you know in that post above that if the team wins the stating line up is correct which is what i called you out on and now its 'numerous times i didnt say that'

i wish people would just stand by the stuff they say and not try and make it as though we misunderstood

i'm not arguing with you any more i cant stand the hypocrisy of it all

all i ever said was i believe we should play our best 11 and don't think Taylor gets into that now if he ever did
 i don't see that as a big controversial statement but hey ho

i wont be replying to you clever clogs next post to try and win a point by changing the stuff you said,
because i dont give a shit

[PeterWithesShin]

"The best team for that specific match", it's not rocket science nor hard to grasp for most people.

[Clark W Griswold]

The game would be won by a series of events that led to the victory, effected by the actions of the manager and the players, so therefore they would be the correct series of events from our point of view. After the event you would not want to go back and change anything as this could seriously fuck up the space - time continuum, or worse still result in the Villa not winning the match.
By all means, argue the starting line up before the game but you don't want to meddle after the event.

[paul_e]

The game would be won by a series of events that led to the victory, effected by the actions of the manager and the players, so therefore they would be the a correct series of events from our point of view. After the event you would not want to go back and change anything as this could seriously fuck up the space - time continuum, or worse still result in the Villa not winning the match.
By all means, argue the starting line up before the game but you don't want to meddle after the event.

Small change there that gets to the heart of this. There are a number of ways to win a game and, as you say, before the game you can argue about which way to try, and if you don't win you can argue about why not (like we have done a little with the talk about bringing on Jota instead of Douglas and Grealish getting caught in possession) but if a game a won the choices made by the manager have worked, there's no argument to be had there.

[Monty]

There are things that we can't decide on as well. Who knows how certain players look in training, not just in terms of performance level but in comfort/naturalness with their teammates, how they move off the ball, how well integrated they are to the system, whether their natural movement clashes with that of someone else who you know you have to pick meaning you go with the other option for this game, etc etc. We get 90 minutes a week - the staff get much much more than that, plus stats and analysis. It's not just about how well individuals look like they're doing on matchday.

[KRS]

We have to place trust in Dean and the staff. It’s all well and good for us to be sat here saying Guilbert and Targett should be playing ahead of Elmo and Taylor based on preseason, but you also have to put those preseason games into perspective as they were against weak opposition and mainly used for fitness.

I do still have questions marks over Targett...he seems to be the exact opposite of Taylor in that we got exposed at LB numerous times as he Targett was pushing up, and we complain that Taylor doesn’t get forward enough. I’ve said it before but I think LB will remain to be our achilles heal this season, however Taylor should play in games where we need to be more defensive and Targett when we need to attack more with our fullbacks pushing on.

Guilbert was the pick of the new players for me in preseason...he looks very good, and confident he will be first choice RB in a few weeks. He clearly developed a good understanding with Jota down the right and there’s no reason why he wouldn’t do the same with Trez. Similarly I think Guilbert will play in games where we need to attack more and Elmo when we’re more disciplined defensively.

Both players need time to settle and prove their value in training, and Dean will pick the best team to win the game based on tactics and player performance. There will be no room for sentiment and Dean will manage that.

[Drummond]

What we've seen with the likes of Leicester winning the league is that it isn't all about the 'best 11' it's about the best team. The players that play the way the manager wants, play with each other and get results.

There are only a handful of players who can expect to start any match, and that's just because of who they are and what they've achieved. Players have differing styles, different strengths and weaknesses and often the opposition along with their strengths and weaknesses determine who the best 11 should be at any given time.

[brian green]

I think players who don't play in glasses should get preference over those who do.  Especially on wet days.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I think players who don't play in glasses should get preference over those who do.  Especially on wet days.

***cough***Sammy Morgan***cough***

[villa `cross the mersey]

Was Sammy wearing glasses when he upset Bob Wilson? ..............must have been quite a spectacle