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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #135 on: September 26, 2019, 06:36:13 PM »
Most clubs starting again had to start at step 8 or 9, and a couple down at step 10 of the pyramid.

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #136 on: September 26, 2019, 11:18:29 PM »
If god forbid, it had happened to us, where would we of had to start?

Probably the top division of the Southern League. Note that the name is not necessarily accurate as it encompasses teams from the South-West and pretty much all over the Midlands. There are two joint top divisions of the Southern League now, we would probably end up in the Southern League Premier Division Central... at best. At worst, maybe a tier below, Southern League Division One Central. Both are pretty much Midlands leagues.

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #137 on: September 26, 2019, 11:52:40 PM »
It's hard to know as no club as big as us has gone under. Southern League Premier Central is step 7, where Bromsgrove now are and that is too high a level for a normal phoenix club. If we went and it was a proper phoenix Villa it should probably be step 9. But then what if we somehow kept VP. And say we did and fans rallied and we had say 10k+ ST holders, no way are they dumping us far down the pyramid imo.
To be honest after typing that I suppose the answer is if we, or a club similar in size went and a phoenix club was the result i've no idea where they'd put us as the lower level of the pyramid couldn't cope. The odd ones struggled with Bromsgrove's away support, even more did with Hereford's never mind trying to cope with ours.

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #138 on: September 27, 2019, 12:08:17 AM »
This is where they placed the phoenix/splinter clubs of league or ex league clubs, i've probably missed some mind

Wimbledon 9
Newport 8
Halifax 8
Aldershot 9
Chester 8
Darlington 9
Hereford 9
Rushden 10
Scarborough 10

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #139 on: September 27, 2019, 12:23:32 AM »
It's hard to know as no club as big as us has gone under. Southern League Premier Central is step 7, where Bromsgrove now are and that is too high a level for a normal phoenix club. If we went and it was a proper phoenix Villa it should probably be step 9. But then what if we somehow kept VP. And say we did and fans rallied and we had say 10k+ ST holders, no way are they dumping us far down the pyramid imo.
To be honest after typing that I suppose the answer is if we, or a club similar in size went and a phoenix club was the result i've no idea where they'd put us as the lower level of the pyramid couldn't cope. The odd ones struggled with Bromsgrove's away support, even more did with Hereford's never mind trying to cope with ours.

Pedantic point - Level, not Step. Levels start with the Premier League, Steps start at the National League. It's up to the FA to decide where a phoenix club starts but at least four levels below the old club is usual. Bury would probably be looking at the Northern Premier division one.

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #140 on: September 27, 2019, 02:13:26 PM »
This is where they placed the phoenix/splinter clubs of league or ex league clubs, i've probably missed some mind

Wimbledon 9
Newport 8
Halifax 8
Aldershot 9
Chester 8
Darlington 9
Hereford 9
Rushden 10
Scarborough 10



So basically you end up in what is basically league 8, 9 or 10. That shocked me to be honest.

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #141 on: October 03, 2019, 11:24:35 PM »
Hmmm. Here we go again?

Macclesfield Town players and staff ask EFL for help after wages go unpaid - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49926802

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #142 on: October 04, 2019, 03:19:44 PM »
I see from Co House that Bury are still just in a CVA. I expected liquidation proceedings to have started by now

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #143 on: December 06, 2019, 04:57:17 PM »
The EFL will meet the players of Macclesfield Town to discuss the current situation at the Club, amid ongoing concern of the impact of late payments of wages on the health and wellbeing of those involved and their willingness to fulfil the Club’s scheduled League Two fixture against Crewe Alexandra on Saturday 7 December and potentially other fixtures moving forward.

The EFL notes today’s latest statement from the players at the Club alongside the recent comments made by the majority shareholder Mr Alkadhi, and it is clear there are challenges to be overcome. The League has significant sympathy for the players and employees, who continue to feel the substantial impact of the continued financial challenges.

The EFL also notes the adjournment decision taken by the High Court on Wednesday in respect of the HMRC winding up order served against Macclesfield Town.

Since first being alerted to the financial challenges faced by the Club, the EFL has worked tirelessly in an attempt to source an appropriate resolution, utilising central payments to ensure players and staff were paid whilst the owner has looked to find a sustainable longer term solution to the ongoing issues. It remains the Club’s obligation to find a way to deliver on the commitments it has made both in private and public to the current issues being faced.

Last month Macclesfield Town was charged with misconduct under EFL Regulation 63.7 and referred to a Disciplinary Commission for failing to pay its players on the applicable payment due dates, with a hearing to be held later this month.

While the EFL, who will continue to provide all available support, fully understands the reasons for the position adopted by the players and their current concerns, it must also ensure the integrity of the League is maintained.  Therefore, the Club will be subject to a further misconduct charge under Regulation 31.2 for non-fulfilment of fixtures if Saturday’s match does not take place as scheduled.

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Re: Bury and Bolton and Macclesfield
« Reply #144 on: December 06, 2019, 09:47:38 PM »
Would I be right in saying that if they are not being paid the players must become free agents at some point as the club have breached the players contracts? Which is probably not a big problem if you are leaving a club like Villa or Portsmouth when they had problems as you will find another club but with respect how many clubs are lining up to snap up free agents who have just left Macclesfield.

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Re: Bury and Bolton and Macclesfield
« Reply #145 on: December 18, 2019, 06:23:30 PM »
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A winding-up petition issued against Bury over an unpaid tax bill has been dismissed by the High Court.

The Shakers were expelled from the English Football League in August after failing to provide financial guarantees and the collapse of a takeover bid.

The club was previously given two weeks to allow the processing of tax returns to HM Revenue & Customs.

However, a lawyer for HMRC told the Insolvency and Companies Court that a debt had been paid.

No detail about the amount that Bury, who were promoted to League One last season, owed was given in court.

The club were previously given a 35-day extension in October, with their lawyers arguing that they needed time to establish whether they had paid too much tax.

The Shakers appeared to be on the brink of liquidation after a prospective buyer ended their interest in October.

However, they previously argued they continued to automatically pay tax on wages that have not, in fact, been paid to staff.

Meanwhile, the North West Counties League confirmed it has received an application from a newly-formed club called Bury AFC for membership commencing at the start of the 2020-21 season.

A group of fans behind the formation of a phoenix club announced on Tuesday that they have applied to join the NWCL, which is the ninth and 10th tier of the English football pyramid.

The phoenix club is unaffiliated with the original Bury FC.

A NWCL statement said: "The league will be working with the club, the Football Association and other interested parties in progressing the application.

"At this stage, we are reviewing the application and supporting documents.

"The league's board of directors will meet to discuss the application and whether, as this is an application from a newly-formed club, to support the application ahead of the FA deadline of 1 February, 2020."

Bury Football Club, founded in 1885, still exists despite the fact they do not currently have a league to play in.

Wednesday's dismissal in the High Court gave them a reprieve, however, this is not necessarily the end of a drawn-out saga which has left fans in the dark as to where the club goes next and in what form.

On 18 July, creditors approved a company voluntary arrangement (CVA), which was proposed to help settle some of the club's debts.

The CVA temporarily froze those debts, but this arrangement will expire in January, leading the way for creditors to then issue another winding-up petition if they wish.

In the meantime, businessman Robert Benwell is to address supporters on Thursday with his plans to "bring football back to Bury", with one of the options being starting the club again if it goes into liquidation.

Should this happen, the Bury FC name could be retained and they could make an application to rejoin the English football pyramid next season - possibly at National League level, as has been proposed in the time since their expulsion from the EFL.

A phoenix club named Bury AFC have also made plans to enter lower down the pyramid but, depending on what happens next with the current Bury FC, they may step aside.

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Re: Bury and Bolton and Macclesfield
« Reply #146 on: December 19, 2019, 09:20:37 PM »
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Macclesfield Town have been docked six points by the English Football League after pleading guilty to charges over non-payment of wages and failing to fulfil their fixture with Crewe.

The League Two club have failed to pay their players on time on numerous occasions in recent months.

Their players refused to play against Crewe on 7 December citing concerns over their emotional wellbeing.

Macc have had a further four-point deduction suspended.

The club will still have to fulfil the fixture with Crewe, although a new date has yet to be arranged.

Macclesfield are now 22nd in League Two, three points above the relegation zone, and have not won in eight matches.

The club were forced to field a mixture of youth team players and loanees in their FA Cup first-round tie with seventh-tier Kingstonian last month after the first team refused to play having not been paid on time. The league side lost 4-0 at home.

Macc had a winding-up order over unpaid taxes adjourned for a ninth time on Wednesday after payment was made, and news of the points deduction comes as owner Amar Alkadhi continues to try to sell the club.

Supporters have set up a fund to help the club's players, while doubts have been raised over whether fans will be allowed inside the Moss Rose for Saturday's fixture against Plymouth because of an issue with a safety certificate.

They are the second side to be deducted points over financial issues this season after Bolton began the campaign on minus 12 after going into administration - they had a further five-point deduction suspended for 18 months after failing to fulfil fixtures against Brentford last season and Doncaster this term.

Bury - another team from Greater Manchester - were expelled from the EFL in August after a takeover deal fell through.

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Re: Bury and Bolton and Macclesfield
« Reply #147 on: December 20, 2019, 12:52:52 AM »
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Blackburn Rovers are extending the hand of football friendship to Bury fans who wish to watch festive football this season.

A special date in the sporting calendar, Boxing Day is a day for families, friends and communities to come together and attend a game of football with each other.

Everyone at Rovers is fully aware that Bury fans unfortunately won’t have the opportunity to do that with their own team this year and have therefore offered complimentary tickets for our game against Birmingham City at Ewood Park on December 26th.

Rovers’ CEO, Steve Waggott, said: “Christmas is a time for spreading goodwill and so we are only too happy, with everything that has gone on at Gigg Lane this season, to make this gesture to the community of Bury, who are missing out on festive football for the first time in many, many years.

“So we have asked them if they would like to come along to Ewood, which is not too far away, on Boxing Day for our game against Birmingham City.

“We know that football fans don’t change their colours, so this is not an attempt to try and coax Bury fans to become Rovers fans. This is an opportunity for Bury fans to come and watch a game of football, complimentary on us, and we would be delighted if they do.

“The initial allocation is 350 tickets, but they can have more if the uptake is there.”

Bury fans have until 5pm today to claim the free tickets, by contacting their Supporter Liaison Officer, Ben Miles, and come together once again at this special time of year.

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Re: Bury and Bolton and Macclesfield
« Reply #148 on: December 20, 2019, 05:20:14 AM »
Free tickets to see Birmingham on boxing day?

I'd rather play with a toaster in the bath.

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Re: Bury and Bolton and Macclesfield
« Reply #149 on: February 14, 2020, 04:51:20 PM »
Bury have defaulted on their CVA

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51503129