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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #120 on: September 05, 2019, 12:11:29 PM »
Because only three teams will now be relegated to League 2 the sensible thing to do would be to ensure Bury will take up the fourth place (which they probably would have occupied anyway) and everything else can remain the same. Sensible and the EFL rarely go together though.

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #121 on: September 05, 2019, 12:48:15 PM »
I don't know, that encourages teams to go bust and start again debt free. That's not fair on local businesses that they owe money to.

If they're out of the league, they need to work their way back into it from way down the pyramid.

Can't think of any examples in England of a team going bust then being allowed to start again in the division they would already have been in.

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #122 on: September 05, 2019, 10:19:52 PM »
CD, you are of course correct.

Just thinking about Bury's standing in football history, the fans that follow them and the staff with futures hanging from a thread in terms of employment and pensions and the EFL's role in this, which has not been great.

Bury should be saved and allowed to start I'm league 2 next season. IMO

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #123 on: September 05, 2019, 10:27:04 PM »
CD, you are of course correct.

Just thinking about Bury's standing in football history, the fans that follow them and the staff with futures hanging from a thread in terms of employment and pensions and the EFL's role in this, which has not been great.

Bury should be saved and allowed to start I'm league 2 next season. IMO

Jon Follows has written about this in the next H&V (out tomorrow). As he put it, clubs go out of business regularly but it's only when they're in the Football League does anyone really care. From memory, FA regulations state that a phoenix club has to start at least two levels below the one where the original club ended. In Bury's case that would be the National League and given that they were in League One last season it would be no great hardship.
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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #124 on: September 05, 2019, 10:32:30 PM »
As Bury still exist, as far as I know they just don't have a league to play in, would they be treated any differently to a phoenix club? As in do the same rules apply about where they can join the pyramid?
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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #125 on: September 05, 2019, 10:37:19 PM »
As Bury still exist, as far as I know they just don't have a league to play in, would they be treated any differently to a phoenix club? As in do the same rules apply about where they can join the pyramid?

I would guess (and it is just a guess) that at some stage in the near future the company will be wound up. They have no income, I don't think they have any staff and they still have creditors. 
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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #126 on: September 06, 2019, 10:39:31 AM »
I don't know, that encourages teams to go bust and start again debt free. That's not fair on local businesses that they owe money to.

If they're out of the league, they need to work their way back into it from way down the pyramid.

Can't think of any examples in England of a team going bust then being allowed to start again in the division they would already have been in.

As I've banged on about many times on this forum, the way that football clubs are dealt with during insolvency proceedings is already unfair to local business and non-football creditors.

This is a pet peeve of mine


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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #127 on: September 06, 2019, 10:41:59 AM »
Here's the Co House link if anyone wants to keep up to date directly.

No change of status since the CVA was approved

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00053268/insolvency

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #128 on: September 23, 2019, 05:26:40 AM »
Some of the children at my school have been doing poetry about the demise of Bury FC.

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #130 on: September 26, 2019, 05:29:53 PM »
And Bury won't be readmitted to Division 4 next season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49841324

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #131 on: September 26, 2019, 06:07:36 PM »
And Bury won't be readmitted to Division 4 next season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49841324


That news doesn't really surprise me. What sort of precedent is there to suggest which league they might be starting again in (if any)?

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #132 on: September 26, 2019, 06:14:42 PM »
Looking at other clubs from the sameish part of the country, after the demise of Chester City, their phoenix club, just called "Chester", started again in the eighth tier. That was the Northern Premier League Division One North (since renamed North West after restructuring).

I think the best Bury could hope for would be one tier higher, the slightly confusingly named Northern Premier League Premier Division.

That's one division below National League North. They would need to be promoted three times to regain their league status.

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #133 on: September 26, 2019, 06:21:26 PM »
If god forbid, it had happened to us, where would we of had to start?

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Re: Bury and Bolton
« Reply #134 on: September 26, 2019, 06:21:35 PM »
Looking at other clubs from the sameish part of the country, after the demise of Chester City, their phoenix club, just called "Chester", started again in the eighth tier. That was the Northern Premier League Division One North (since renamed North West after restructuring).

I think the best Bury could hope for would be one tier higher, the slightly confusingly named Northern Premier League Premier Division.

That's one division below National League North. They would need to be promoted three times to regain their league status.



Different circumstances but I think AFC Wimbledon had to get promoted five times to get back into the league. I think they did it in nine years.