He played in their last international, that international football has since been cancelled does make the international criteria pretty much void this window.
Quote from: Risso on July 26, 2020, 10:46:17 PMThere's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets. So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points. If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points. For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point. 5 points and you pass the appeal.To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.
There's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets. So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points. If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points. For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point. 5 points and you pass the appeal.To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.
Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:08:51 PMQuote from: Risso on July 26, 2020, 10:46:17 PMThere's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets. So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points. If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points. For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point. 5 points and you pass the appeal.To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.Risso's correct. In an arrangement like this, the player has already given his consent to the return move when he signed with us last summer.If they want him, he has already agreed to the transfer back and did so nearly a year ago.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 11:13:05 PMHe played in their last international, that international football has since been cancelled does make the international criteria pretty much void this window. Maybe, but seeing as it's 30% of games over 2 years, maybe not.Risso I can't be arsed to reply to you thinking that players can be forced to sign contracts, it's too late for such a pointless discussion.
Quote from: Dave on July 26, 2020, 11:22:09 PMQuote from: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:08:51 PMQuote from: Risso on July 26, 2020, 10:46:17 PMThere's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets. So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points. If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points. For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point. 5 points and you pass the appeal.To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.Risso's correct. In an arrangement like this, the player has already given his consent to the return move when he signed with us last summer.If they want him, he has already agreed to the transfer back and did so nearly a year ago.He'd still need to sign the agreement, it's normally a moot point because the player agreed to it and wants to go back but at the point where they action the clause he has to confirm it.
Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:20:55 PMQuote from: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 11:13:05 PMHe played in their last international, that international football has since been cancelled does make the international criteria pretty much void this window. Maybe, but seeing as it's 30% of games over 2 years, maybe not.Risso I can't be arsed to reply to you thinking that players can be forced to sign contracts, it's too late for such a pointless discussion.There's no maybe not about it. You can't have a criteria based on the last 2 years when nearly half that time has had no games. You can't go alter the time frame as young players like Liuz will be penalised for being young.
Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:23:53 PMQuote from: Dave on July 26, 2020, 11:22:09 PMQuote from: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:08:51 PMQuote from: Risso on July 26, 2020, 10:46:17 PMThere's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets. So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points. If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points. For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point. 5 points and you pass the appeal.To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.Risso's correct. In an arrangement like this, the player has already given his consent to the return move when he signed with us last summer.If they want him, he has already agreed to the transfer back and did so nearly a year ago.He'd still need to sign the agreement, it's normally a moot point because the player agreed to it and wants to go back but at the point where they action the clause he has to confirm it.He has already signed the agreement. The return terms are agreed at the point of the original transfer. The original selling club literally has a one-way switch to enact the terms that everyone agreed and signed off at the start.Precisely to stop the player / new club colluding in the way that you describe.
Risso I can't be arsed to reply to you thinking that players can be forced to sign contracts, it's too late for such a pointless discussion.
Quote from: Dave on July 26, 2020, 11:29:43 PMQuote from: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:23:53 PMQuote from: Dave on July 26, 2020, 11:22:09 PMQuote from: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:08:51 PMQuote from: Risso on July 26, 2020, 10:46:17 PMThere's not a set fee, if a player hasn't played the required number of games, then at the appeals process there are points based on what percentile the transfer fee and wages gets. So for example, if his transfer fee is above the 50% percentile, that gives two points. If his wages would be above the 50% percentile at the new club, that's another two points. For playing in at least 30% of Villa's matches (in one of Europe's top leagues), he gets another point. 5 points and you pass the appeal.To sum up then, they may or may not exercise the recall option, and opt to leave him with us for another year, but:If Man City want him, they get him, and it doesn't matter whether Villa or the player himself say no.They'd almost certainly get a work permit for him, if not outright then on appeal.Bold bit is completely wrong, of course he has a choice and, therefore so do we. There can't be anything in the clause blocking him from signing a new contract with us so if they activate it we speak to him and say "whatever wage they offer we'll match and we'll guarantee you start xx% of our games, you're still young, gametime is more important than medals right now". He might want to go but they can't force him to.Risso's correct. In an arrangement like this, the player has already given his consent to the return move when he signed with us last summer.If they want him, he has already agreed to the transfer back and did so nearly a year ago.He'd still need to sign the agreement, it's normally a moot point because the player agreed to it and wants to go back but at the point where they action the clause he has to confirm it.He has already signed the agreement. The return terms are agreed at the point of the original transfer. The original selling club literally has a one-way switch to enact the terms that everyone agreed and signed off at the start.Precisely to stop the player / new club colluding in the way that you describe.So, he wouldn't be able to renegotiate his wages? In which case he still would be nowhere near one of the higher paid players at Man City and thus wouldn't qualify for a work permit.
Ok, they won't change the criteria after losing 11 months of games. Good grief, life's too short.